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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:36 pm 
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Teen Spirit wrote:
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do you know he's hit the piss once in 12months...??? do you??? he told you????

yep...word for word he said it on Triple M with Eddie. its a far more direct quote than 'everyone thinks so' and 'the general feeling is'

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im not doing this to him.... am i???

no but you, like many others seem to be enjoying his plight...its a shame that people have to make personal attacks, even when he's at fault and he's brought it on himself.

weren't there reports of a late night session with sticks post the freo game is brissie?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:37 pm 
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Again ... Why would he re-negotiate a contract? A contract is a contract and must be payed out unless a clause states otherwise. Fev is in the box seat, hence the difficulty for the club in trading him or sacking him.

Our only out as a club would be the club he is traded to taking over his contract.


Not sure about that. What if the Club says to him..."here's the deal, these are the clauses to go in your contract. If you accept, you will have a 4 week suspension. If you don't accept, you have a 12 month suspension. Your choice."


Would be a good test as to whether he did really love the club. 12 months of getting paid to do something else? He might simply use the time to brush up on his NFL kicking skills.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:41 pm 
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exactly right, 110kg full forwards that kick 90 goals a year dont come around too often, and some people wanna discard him on rumours and innuendo. when are all these juicy rumours gonna surface as fact? maybe there all B.S?


If 110kg 90 goal kickers are so rare, why aren't 15 clubs lining up to get him?
Give it some thought.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:44 pm 
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Siegfried you're one of the few who put a lot of work in before opening the cakehole.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:49 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Teen Spirit wrote:
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do you know he's hit the piss once in 12months...??? do you??? he told you????

yep...word for word he said it on Triple M with Eddie. its a far more direct quote than 'everyone thinks so' and 'the general feeling is'

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im not doing this to him.... am i???

no but you, like many others seem to be enjoying his plight...its a shame that people have to make personal attacks, even when he's at fault and he's brought it on himself.

weren't there reports of a late night session with sticks post the freo game is brissie?


Hearsay and innuendo until proven otherwise.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:53 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
If he is sacked then Kernahan and Swann go with him....simple as that.


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What, are you gunna run them out of town?
You've been watching too many John Wayne movies.

It wont happen. sticks isn't in to sackings. He likes being everyones mate.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:55 pm 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Hearsay and innuendo until proven otherwise.


proven to you???? :lol:

why???

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
smithy wrote:
exactly right, 110kg full forwards that kick 90 goals a year dont come around too often, and some people wanna discard him on rumours and innuendo. when are all these juicy rumours gonna surface as fact? maybe there all B.S?


If 110kg 90 goal kickers are so rare, why aren't 15 clubs lining up to get him?
Give it some thought.

you dont think any other clubs want him? are you kidding???

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:05 pm 
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I reckon now is the time to probably trade the big fella (as much as it hurts to say it). We as a club have not been able to manage him. It is a known fact he has major off field issues and he just can't seem to get his life act together.

I doubt whether suspending him will have any real affect...and sacking him will only screw the club....at least in a tarde we get something back. Whilst Fev has no-one to blame but himself I also believe we as a club have been pathetic in the way we have handled him. Both parties are to blame equally IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:07 pm 
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smithy wrote:
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exactly right, 110kg full forwards that kick 90 goals a year dont come around too often, and some people wanna discard him on rumours and innuendo. when are all these juicy rumours gonna surface as fact? maybe there all B.S?


If 110kg 90 goal kickers are so rare, why aren't 15 clubs lining up to get him?
Give it some thought.

you dont think any other clubs want him? are you kidding???


should command a couple of top 5 picks right???

i hope so....

Lets see....!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:18 pm 
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Well, my take on Fev is that he's run out of chances....it's time to find a new home for him through a trade.

He has disgraced his family, the club, his team mates, supporters, sponsors, and the brand over a drunken night out at an official AFL function. This is just the tip of the iceberg, remember the Candy Bar incident? the firehose incident at Vic Uni? the Ireland head lock incident? Too many chances and the exmaple set to our young developing list is very bad long term.

I saw the Cats will themselves over the line in that last quarter on Saturday. They play for each other, and play a team game. They don't rely on one goal kicker to kick a winning score, they have a spread of them, and are now considered up there with the great premiership teams in AFL/VFL history. We are Carlton - Fev is NOT bigger than the club. If Geelong can do it, there ain't no reason why we can't. We need all round players that are not only good footballers, but good people that want to represent the club proudly. Fev don't fit in the latter.

As for Channel 9 - they're just as responsible for the events at the brownlow by Fev on 2 counts.
They would've known he would get intoxicated prior to doing street talk, and would act like the dick head that he is.
Them showing the 'cleaner' parts of the way he carried on on Grand Final show was also a disgrace which may have cost him his career. These were just as harmful - bunch of imbeciles and bogans on that show.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:20 pm 
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how bout we trade him for bock. Then some of you can have something to really gripe about if bock beats up on his missus again! crickey imagine if that was fev he'd be drawn and quartered on bourke street! it would be on 88 of the 89 pages of the herald sun! how is bock going anyway did he get sacked? and thats a club with great values and well disciplined so i hear....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:25 pm 
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smithy wrote:
how bout we trade him for bock. Then some of you can have something to really gripe about if bock beats up on his missus again! crickey imagine if that was fev he'd be drawn and quartered on bourke street! it would be on 88 of the 89 pages of the herald sun! how is bock going anyway did he get sacked? and thats a club with great values and well disciplined so i hear....

why trade him for bock???

we got brock!!!

bock has had one thing blow up.... fevs had dozens....

bocks teamates dont want him traded...

You sound confused and confusing.

Listen.. fev is going to be shopped around.... thats a slap in the face for a coleman medalist...

not cos its personal... but cos he wont grow up... and we need everyone pulling together to win something...

we dont need fev wanting to be in the spotlight...

hes an embarassment..

though i would love to know how you would have handled last monday night if he targetted you or your mrs... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:25 pm 
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In three weeks time some of us will be looking back on all this and laughing.


If we don't do something about this NOW, we WILL be talking about Fev and his indiscretions AGAIN in 12 months' time or less.

This is the same old shit over and over again.

Fev: I've made the decision to go off the grog. I know I become a flower when I drink. I know I'm a better person and player if I get off the grog. I've let the club and the boys down. I want to repay them. BLAH BLAH BLAH...

We've heard it all before. He says he's sorry and that he'll change. Everyone forgives him and loves him again because he's a magnificent superstar of the comp AND he plays for us. But for gods sakes, this has to stop at one point or another.

@#$%&! hell, surely he knows how much his 15 yr old brain is hurting the club, his colleagues and his supporters. Same old shit every year...


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:36 pm 
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Get what ever you can for him just get rid of him
Warwick Capper Mk 2 I have been saying it for years

Our premiership window as you like to call is most likely 4 years off at best when Murph Gibbs Grigg Kruez Warnock and co are the other side of 25

Geelong and Saints average age was 26 and half we putting side out that average less than 22 at times weare still away off yet

Adelaide Doggies Saints Geelong Pies and Hawks will all be up there for the next 2 to 3 years we are still a bit behind them

So get rid of Fev take what Evers comes and build for the next 4 years and stop kidding ourselves that this goose will take us to the flag the swans flogged sides in 86 and 87 when Capper was at his best they failed in the finals because they were to reliant on him this is despite having the best midfield in the comp delivering it to him Carlton and the Hawks picked them to pieces
We have our very own Capper and people are bleating we can't get rid of him
Fevola gets the ball directed to him more than any other player in the comp and yet he is still yet to kick a ton watch him struggle when they don't direct every forward entry to him
He is not as good as you all think

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:39 pm 
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In three weeks time some of us will be looking back on all this and laughing.


If we don't do something about this NOW, we WILL be talking about Fev and his indiscretions AGAIN in 12 months' time or less.

This is the same old shit over and over again.

Fev: I've made the decision to go off the grog. I know I become a flower when I drink. I know I'm a better person and player if I get off the grog. I've let the club and the boys down. I want to repay them. BLAH BLAH BLAH...

We've heard it all before. He says he's sorry and that he'll change. Everyone forgives him and loves him again because he's a magnificent superstar of the comp AND he plays for us. But for gods sakes, this has to stop at one point or another.

!@#$%& hell, surely he knows how much his 15 yr old brain is hurting the club, his colleagues and his supporters. Same old shit every year...


Dude, there will be something to cry about in 12 months time, 2 years time, 5 years time, 12 years time.

It's human nature. The cause of the crying changes but the tears will be just as salty.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:48 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Again ... Why would he re-negotiate a contract? A contract is a contract and must be payed out unless a clause states otherwise. Fev is in the box seat, hence the difficulty for the club in trading him or sacking him.

Our only out as a club would be the club he is traded to taking over his contract.


Disagree. Fev is not in the box seat. I believe nothing will hurt him more than 11 weeks out of the spotlight. If that's the best we can offer him (and btw, with no guarantees that he's an automatic selection in round 12), it will hurt him more than anything else. His excessive salary may proclude many clubs from taking him on. In this case, if he cracks it with the excessive penalty, he may ask his manager to re-negotatte so as to make himself more appealing to other clubs. And, if chooses to stay at Carlton, he's going to have a lot of thinking time. He's egotistical. He will never want to sit out that period of time in shame ever. Nothing less than half a season. 5 games out and 6 with the Ants.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:51 pm 
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Yes but where do you get a forward option from? Where's the guarantee we'll have one in three years. Since 1998 when Fev was drafted how many others have we developed? They don't grow on trees. Fev gives us a shot at a flag in the next three years. Don't want to give him up easily.


If you take Fev out of the forwardline we are screwed.

Waite has never proven himself as a FF and would struggle with the physical attention the number one forward cops.

Kreuzer still has a long long way to go before he can be considered a decent forward.

Cloke and Setanta are second rate.

We are giving a premiership to the Bulldogs and shutting our window at the same time. Absolutely mind boggling. What was the point of getting Judd now? We won't be winning anything for another 5-6 years If (and that's a big IF) we do. We should have kept Kennedy and picks 3 and 18 but we chose to go down the Fev road and we now have to stick to it. If we don't it's just another massive cock-up and one that can be partly attributed to everyone's beloved untouchable Greg Swann.


Hellas, I dig your posts and your passion, and like you I would love to see Fev turn it around and be ratained, only to see him and the Blues bigger and better in 2010. I reckon it can happen, and probably will.

I am from the side which suggests nothing too serious happened on Brownlow night. That's what yobbos do and footy at all levels has them...there's heaps of them. Furthermore, he's a marked man...an easy target. However, there seems many who were offended and imo the fact that he's gone into hiding and openly admitted that what he saw on film of himself was embarrassing and so on....says it all.

I want him rehabilitated and suspended.

BUT

If he's gone, we are not screwed!!! Get a grip. Pie in the sky emotive stuff there Hellas.

For all we know, we will be a better team, due to better balance. May be not. But we aren't screwed for our tilt for the Flag.

I remember the night in 2002 when SOS, Bradles and Kouta pulled at at the last minute against the Bombers when we were at the bottom of the barrel.
I remember what we did without Judd last year.
I remember what we did without Fev a few times. I thought we looked really good without Fev. Remember what we did when we played Fev as a foil against Collingwood this year...we looked allright as a multi pronged attack. Isn't that what we aspire to?

One chapter closes and another opens. Life goes on. There's a list of kids with big aspirations, and there's a bigger club with even bigger aspirations.

Waite ....give him some credit...he's a damn good forward and can kick a bag. His forward play is not the problem. The problem we have with him is that we wish we had 2 or 3 of him.

Kreuzer...give him some credit...he's played cameos forward and shown a lot more than you give him credit for. Play him on the FF line and watch Kreuzer's version of the Tippett show.

Setanta can run hard and fast and provide a good link if needed. Not great, but can do a job for us as a mobile tall.

The window with Fev is 2-3 years. The window for Judd is up to 6 years. The window for the club is the next decade; it's not just about Fev.

We have a damn good list. We have kids who will get another preseason under their belt Yarran Garlett Robinson. Bettsy goes allright. Thornton can play forward, Houla goes allright, Walker, Austin....we have options and may also become multipronged; nothing wrong with that.

Add grunt in the midfield (Brock) and Warnock, and we have a midfield that will deliver the ball more than 2009 and kick more goals too.

Come on. The sky is not falling. It's not over for CFC's 17th flag in the next few years. We have a very good list with or without Fev.

No doubt having Fev will help in the next 2-3 years; but that's Fev's window, not Carltons. We will be even better when Fev retires as the kids mature.

Don't you believe in the list we have put together...you know the Baby Blues, 20 yo's...plenty of them.

If Fev stays, Fev has got to change for the betterment of the team. Don't you agree?[/quote]I think you're rationalising there. Those blokes will suddenly cop opponents rather than all of them just going to Fev. As the Bulldogs found out, a lack of a decent KP forward cost premierships.[/quote]

jim, where the @#$%&! did you pull that one from? What's the context? When?

Bloody funny when you look at it on face value. Truly can't remember the post you're quoting, but love your style. Bloody funny. :clap:

If you can give me a date of the quote I'll look it up, but really don't have the time. Help us out.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:51 pm 
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I've had a gutful of his antics. Honestly I didn't care too much about the mad monday stuff (cos they should be allowed to release steam sometime - as long as no one gets hurt - but ffs we have to draw the line somewhere & sometime. He's 28 going on 15 (with a lower IQ than that).

To me his like the old saying about a woman "Can't live with him, can't live without him".

For the professionalism of our club I'd rather we tried to trade him......not just rip up the contract and not get anything but look for a trade..........although it won't happen cos we don't have the kahunas & we won't get what we'd want for him.

That said - he should be publicly offered up for a trade (at the right price).......obviously that right price won't eventuate - so we should then say - OK we're going to have to live in harmony but he'll be training & playing with the Bullants for the 1st 6-8 weeks of 2010 (ala SJ of Geelong but longer punishment).

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The cause of the crying changes but the tears will be just as salty.


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