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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:03 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Is it possible that a Fev trade might derail the McLean trade?


I was thinking the same


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:03 pm 
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We are in a post-Fevola era in 3 years anyway......maybe in 6 months if we put all sorts of contractual clauses in which he breaks.......who knows.....and if he does something dumb, which seems characterlogically probable.....we get nothing?

So why not get something back by way of compensation and start working on forward line structures post-Fev now, while Judd is still 26, Murph, Kreuz, Gibbs under 23, as opposed to in 3 years when we have to worry about it then...and Juddy is 29, and the other three peaking.......and in all probability without having pinched one in those 3 years??


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:08 pm 
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We are in a post-Fevola era in 3 years anyway......maybe in 6 months if we put all sorts of contractual clauses in which he breaks.......who knows?


Why would Fev accept contract clauses to be added to his contract? It's the clubs fault they weren't added in the first place, bad luck on our behalf. The behavioural policy for the AFL is the only fallback the club has.

I don't think it will derail the McLean deal. We still 'need' McLean moving forward.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:08 pm 
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could some one PM me with the jucy bits. this is drving me crazy

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:09 pm 
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I'm not saying turn a blind eye, I'm not saying ignore his indiscretion, I'm saying put it into perspective. He was drunk. Wow, that's an unbelievable story. He behaved like someone who was drunk, what?! how dare he!


Why do people think this is all there is to it?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:10 pm 
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In three weeks time some of us will be looking back on all this and laughing.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:10 pm 
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Gilly34 wrote:
We are in a post-Fevola era in 3 years anyway......maybe in 6 months if we put all sorts of contractual clauses in which he breaks.......who knows.....and if he does something dumb, which seems characterlogically probable.....we get nothing?

So why not get something back by way of compensation and start working on forward line structures post-Fev now, while Judd is still 26, Murph, Kreuz, Gibbs under 23, as opposed to in 3 years when we have to worry about it then...and Juddy is 29, and the other three peaking.......and in all probability without having pinched one in those 3 years??


Yes but where do you get a forward option from? Where's the guarantee we'll have one in three years. Since 1998 when Fev was drafted how many others have we developed? They don't grow on trees. Fev gives us a shot at a flag in the next three years. Don't want to give him up easily.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:11 pm 
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Would love a PM with the 'fuller' story, I would struggle to see an 86 goal kicker leave an inept forward line.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:13 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
I don't think it will derail the McLean deal. We still 'need' McLean moving forward.


I think what was meant by that was if McLean would still want to come to Carlton without Fevola??
Might be reading into it the wrong way though :confused:

Would appreciate a PM also :smile:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:13 pm 
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In three weeks time some of us will be looking back on all this and laughing.


...because, at the end of the day, we're all mates.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:15 pm 
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Please stop asking for PM's with details.

Those here with any of the details are more than likely not going to reveal them to you anyway and we've already reports of some posters being inundated with requests.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:15 pm 
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what are these mysterious pms everyones going on about?
well i'd like one too :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:17 pm 
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If he goes what do we do?

This is a serious question I'd like addressed.

Who replaces him? If people are so certain to get rid of him they must have some sort of succession plan in place that sees we're not short changed.

We've got no one that can replace him and there's no one we could get that would.

If the vibe is that he rubbed a teammate up the wrong way I say "harden the @#$%&! up". It's a workplace, not everyone in a workplace gets along. And there's no rule that they have to.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:18 pm 
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17_will_be_the_sweetest wrote:
Gilly34 wrote:
We are in a post-Fevola era in 3 years anyway......maybe in 6 months if we put all sorts of contractual clauses in which he breaks.......who knows.....and if he does something dumb, which seems characterlogically probable.....we get nothing?

So why not get something back by way of compensation and start working on forward line structures post-Fev now, while Judd is still 26, Murph, Kreuz, Gibbs under 23, as opposed to in 3 years when we have to worry about it then...and Juddy is 29, and the other three peaking.......and in all probability without having pinched one in those 3 years??


Yes but where do you get a forward option from? Where's the guarantee we'll have one in three years. Since 1998 when Fev was drafted how many others have we developed? They don't grow on trees. Fev gives us a shot at a flag in the next three years. Don't want to give him up easily.


If you take Fev out of the forwardline we are screwed.

Waite has never proven himself as a FF and would struggle with the physical attention the number one forward cops.

Kreuzer still has a long long way to go before he can be considered a decent forward.

Cloke and Setanta are second rate.

We are giving a premiership to the Bulldogs and shutting our window at the same time. Absolutely mind boggling. What was the point of getting Judd now? We won't be winning anything for another 5-6 years If (and that's a big IF) we do. We should have kept Kennedy and picks 3 and 18 but we chose to go down the Fev road and we now have to stick to it. If we don't it's just another massive cock-up and one that can be partly attributed to everyone's beloved untouchable Greg Swann.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:19 pm 
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thegezman wrote:
could some one PM me with the jucy bits. this is drving me crazy

WFT is going on?!!?!?!?!!?



ditto


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:22 pm 
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DiS wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
I don't think it will derail the McLean deal. We still 'need' McLean moving forward.


I think what was meant by that was if McLean would still want to come to Carlton without Fevola??
Might be reading into it the wrong way though :confused:

Would appreciate a PM also :smile:


I have no doubt he would still come. Playing with Murphy, Gibbs and Judd, added to Kreuzer should be enough to entice anyone.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:27 pm 
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We've got no one that can replace him...
I don't want to replace him - with the same dysfunctional "kick it to me or else" forward line :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:28 pm 
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seanpb wrote:
If he goes what do we do?

This is a serious question I'd like addressed.

Who replaces him? If people are so certain to get rid of him they must have some sort of succession plan in place that sees we're not short changed.

We've got no one that can replace him and there's no one we could get that would.

If the vibe is that he rubbed a teammate up the wrong way I say "harden the !@#$%& up". It's a workplace, not everyone in a workplace gets along. And there's no rule that they have to.


I don't have the answers Sean, but I'm guessing there is a bit of a feeling that, regardless of the on-field consequences, we will be a stronger team without Fevola in it. Team being the key word, of course.

I was speaking to a mate about this today and he asked me if I reckoned if Fev should be moved on. My response was I would reluctantly support whatever decision was made. In reality, from the outside, I'm not sure what the right decision is.

I don't mean to draw the comparison to Wayne Carey, but that incident shows there is only so much a club can take before it just has to cut its losses and move on. As I said, I don't know how the club's administration and the other 36 blokes on our senior list have been affected by the current saga, but if there's a general consensus that Fev's time is up, then we'll just have to accept that and move on.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:31 pm 
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everyone acts as if he's done worse than ben cousins.

because he is a player with the profile he has, its turned into front page news...meanwhile page 5 the other day talked about the UN conference. THIS is what is wrong with australia, and Melbourne's media.

YES he's a fool for what he's done, YES he's had a million chances before, YES we have to act with an iron fist and make a statement...but trading him, or paying out his contract is NOT going to move the carlton football club forward.

Whether its a hefty fine, whether its a pay cut, whether its a suspension, whether its padding him with clauses in his contract until he suffocates...or all of the above. They're all better options than trading him.

I'm not extreme enough to tear up my membership, or turn on the club for their decision. Im a blue for life and not even Fevola, Judd, Kernahan, Nicholls, Williams, Doull or anyone else are bigger than the Carlton Football Club. However, i think its a TERRIBLE idea to rid this club of the best thing we have going for us. Instead of crucifying him, help the bastard out. Get him whatever help he needs, force the cool-aid down his throat until he conforms unto OUR rules. But dont deny the greatest club in the country one of the greatest in the country.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:32 pm 
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Some people are either blind or just stupid, its very obvious he wasn't just drunk at the brownlow. How would that in itself lead him to being on the edge like this:

So far he has been accused of:
1. Sexually assulting a woman
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5. Upsetting Gibbsy's girlfriend

I think to put 2 and 2 together and assume none of the above is true when the club are considering drastic action is very very naive at best.
Sexual harassment not assault.

If he sexually assault a female he'd already be out the door, no questions asked. It would be a breach of the standard player contract. You can't breach that by being drunk and a d1ckehad.

People forget, he has a big contract that has 2 years to run. Because of that contract Fev holds all the aces in regards to his future, unless the club decides to pay him out, which would burst our Cap. He can refuse to be traded and they can't sack him bar the payout. That's the law! The best they can do is suspend him. The only way that can be different is by mutual arrangement.

If he is traded we have to get "like for "like" another gun KP forward. We have no KP forwards hence trading him for a midfielder for example would set us back. Then can he drop the 50+ tackles Fev did this year, top 5 for forward 50 tackles this year. A stat we tend to forget.


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