Two assistant coaches moving on?

17_will_be_the_sweetest · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:58 pm **Posts:** 144

Word is Lappin and Montgomery will be leaving the Carlton coaching team.

septembergurl · **Joined:** Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:20 pm **Posts:** 589

Any word on who is being looked at to replace them?

BLUESBLITZ · **Joined:** Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:43 am **Posts:** 79

septembergurl wrote:

Any word on who is being looked at to replace them?

Word has it Martin Pike will be elavated from the Bullants?

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

Wouldn't mind Chris Johnson. He was the development coach at the Lions, and their progress is a good reference for him. Says he wants to come back to Victoria and work with young indigenous players. Given Yarran is our great white hope, it makes sense to get a guy who can help to tap his potential.

aramari · **Posted:** Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:27 pm

Indie wrote:

Wouldn't mind Chris Johnson. He was the development coach at the Lions, and their progress is a good reference for him. Says he wants to come back to Victoria and work with young indigenous players. Given Yarran is our great white hope, it makes sense to get a guy who can help to tap his potential.

racist (confused racist, but nonetheless) :donk:

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

It's good to make people think about such expressions in a non-lecturing fashion. Given that Yarran isn't white, the inherent racist meaning is negated in my post while drawing attention to its origins by way of absurdist humour. But I wonder how many use that expression thinking it carries no overtones ...

camel · **Posted:** Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:48 pm

Hmm, interesting developments. Looks like it could be a busy off season this year.

aramari · **Posted:** Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:55 pm

Indie wrote:

It's good to make people think about such expressions in a non-lecturing fashion. Given that Yarran isn't white, the inherent racist meaning is negated in my post while drawing attention to its origins by way of absurdist humour. But I wonder how many use that expression thinking it carries no overtones ...

PC epithets are absurd.

Gerry Cooney was "the great white hope". Apart from the fact he was a spud, there is a further irony in there, but I'm too scared to point it out. :yikes:

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

What irony? That it was a black man, Don King, who described him as that in the lead up to the Holmes fight? No irony there - King would go down on the Grand Wizard of the KKK if there was money in it, and exploiting racist overtones wouldn't cause him to lose sleep. Or that Cooney didn't see colour as important and is friends with Holmes now? Or that the Rocky movies pretty much milked the same sentiment (substituting Italian for Irish)?

Just about any white man competing in a sport dominated by blacks will at some stage have the dubious honour of being labelled the great white hope. It happened to Marsh, Shirvington and Mottram.

Fevolution · **Joined:** Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:25 pm **Posts:** 1655

well montogomery was our defence coach, so maybe sos will return home??

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

I wouldn't mind that at all. But no chance. He's obviously a career coach and is looking for a senior gig at some stage. Why would he choose to be second banana to a guy whose experience as a coach isn't much more than his own? At least where he is, he's learning from a guy who has been in the system for around a decade. And there's apparently some lingering resentment from the Elliott camp towards him for spilling the beans on the salary cap breaches ...

The other thing about guys who are trying to build up their chances of taking a senior job is that they don't want to be locked into a specialist role. Alan Richardson was admired as a development coach, but he's now an assistant with Essendon* instead. Now that SOS has seemingly covered himself with glory as a defensive coach (Dawson being Exhibit A), he'll probably want to be a match day coach or at least take on line duties in the midfield or forward line instead.

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

Indie wrote:

I wouldn't mind that at all. But no chance. He's obviously a career coach and is looking for a senior gig at some stage. Why would he choose to be second banana to a guy whose experience as a coach isn't much more than his own? At least where he is, he's learning from a guy who has been in the system for around a decade. And there's apparently some lingering resentment from the Elliott camp towards him for spilling the beans on the salary cap breaches ...

The other thing about guys who are trying to build up their chances of taking a senior job is that they don't want to be locked into a specialist role. Alan Richardson was admired as a development coach, but he's now an assistant with Essendon* instead. Now that SOS has seemingly covered himself with glory as a defensive coach (Dawson being Exhibit A), he'll probably want to be a match day coach or at least take on line duties in the midfield or forward line instead.

Good to hear there are going to be some off field changes...Fevolution don't get too rapt up in SOS he aint all he's supposedly cracked up to be.

Fevolution · **Joined:** Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:25 pm **Posts:** 1655

sos was my favourite player, mad sos fan! (still am), ive heard good things about his coachin but sounds like u havent!

murraycray · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:34 am

aramari wrote:

Indie wrote:

It's good to make people think about such expressions in a non-lecturing fashion. Given that Yarran isn't white, the inherent racist meaning is negated in my post while drawing attention to its origins by way of absurdist humour. But I wonder how many use that expression thinking it carries no overtones ...

PC epithets are absurd.

Gerry Cooney was "the great white hope". Apart from the fact he was a spud, there is a further irony in there, but I'm too scared to point it out. :yikes:

Jerry Quarry too a few years earlier IIRC........no Toms though :grin:

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:43 am

Good luck to them both, but I think it's probably a good move.

I think Chris Johnson sounds promising

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18035

I've heard good things about Montgomery. It's a shame.
Will we get Lance and Kouta in now?

You can never have enough yes men.....

Princes Park Whistler · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:30 am

Blue Vain wrote:

I've heard good things about Montgomery. It's a shame.
Will we get Lance and Kouta in now?

You can never have enough yes men.....

I think Montgomery did a good job with the defense this year. Really reduced the goals against compared with previous seasons, added far more run and was able to cover some key personnel lost through injury.
If, as rumored, Martin Pike is elevated to an assistant, he would be an ideal mentor for Fev, on what is required to be part of a premiership team/s considering similarities with his early playing days.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Hopefully we don’t read: “The two replacements will be [insert names of 1995 premiership players here]”

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

Why do I get the sinking feeling that Kouta will be one of them?

Juzzy · **Joined:** Wed May 20, 2009 9:23 pm **Posts:** 715

Fevolution wrote:

sos was my favourite player, mad sos fan! (still am), ive heard good things about his coachin but sounds like u havent!

I think that a lot of the positives that have come out of the St. Kilda defense can be more attributed to Lyon then SOS.

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