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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:40 pm 
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The Cooney beer thing sounded a lot worse in the paper.

Really? I'm shocked! :eek:


Should get out more then verbs, :cool:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:44 pm 
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He showed no respect to Judd at all. Hope he apologises to him.


Look, it was funny and all, and I have been around mates who've carried on worse than that, but what he was saying in the end to Judd was a dog act and deserved sharp right across the chin. Take the piss fair enough but don't be downright disrespectful. Nothing of the whole night bothered me about Fev besides that bit. It was a flower act! :mad:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:48 pm 
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Fev [REDACTED] up, no doubt. But I reckon we're being a bit precious now. Reckon Juddy can look after himself.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:50 pm 
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The pressure point/Segal/Judd debacle will be with us for a long time to come. At least until round 5 next year.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:51 pm 
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The Cooney beer thing sounded a lot worse in the paper.

Really? I'm shocked! :eek:

Verbs you sound like Fev

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:52 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
verbs wrote:
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The Cooney beer thing sounded a lot worse in the paper.

Really? I'm shocked! :eek:

Verbs you sound like Fev

I look like him too.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:53 pm 
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Fev !@#$%& up, no doubt. But I reckon we're being a bit precious now. Reckon Juddy can look after himself.



Yep. Couldn't agree more, there's lots of people getting their knickers in a bunch about this whole thing.

Fev [REDACTED] up, it's over, let's just move on to 2010 already :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:57 pm 
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Thought Fev and the Juddy pressure point was the funniest thing I've seen all year.

Still blame channel 9 for allowing Fev to do it pissed in the first place.
Still blame the Crown for serving alcohol to an intoxicated person.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:57 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
verbs wrote:
Really? I'm shocked! :eek:

Verbs you sound like Fev

I look like him too.

Golly...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:59 pm 
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bosman wrote:
Thought Fev and the Juddy pressure point was the funniest thing I've seen all year.

Still blame channel 9 for allowing Fev to do it pissed in the first place.
Still blame the Crown for serving alcohol to an intoxicated person.


Ch 9 yes, Crown no.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:43 pm 
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Thought Fev and the Juddy pressure point was the funniest thing I've seen all year.

Still blame channel 9 for allowing Fev to do it pissed in the first place.
Still blame the Crown for serving alcohol to an intoxicated person.


Ch 9 yes, Crown no.


Places that hold a liquor license under law are not allowed to supply alcohol to a person who are intoxicated.

If that was you or me that pissed at crown carrying on like that, we would have been kicked out pretty quick smart.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:00 am 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brendan-fevola-is-battling-to-save-his-career-at-carlton-football-club/story-e6frf8w6-1225779305387

Good article I thought. Yeah, he's saying the right things and all, but at least he's well aware of what he did and how he carried on etc.

Funny thing is I couldn't care any less about his antics and actions... The media should follow a mate of mine around on a friday night if they want to be outraged.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:00 am 
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Thought Fev and the Juddy pressure point was the funniest thing I've seen all year.

Still funny when you view the full 30 minutes worth of footage?... Cos that's what they've got. The same line over and over and over and over and over.

I love the 'pull my finger' joke, but only kids find that funny after the 5th go. That's the level of 'comedy' that Brendan was throwing out there. As a media performer, he has been hanging on by a thread for a while now... On Monday night, he was exposed to all of the dimwits that think his brand of comedy is amusing. The fact that people think it was somewhat humourous is a blight on society. For Christ's sake, Vince Sorrenti and The Scared Weird Little Guys are more entertaining than Brendan Fevola. Love Brendan as a footballer, but he is a fair dinkum dead shit. Intellectually, he is waaaaaaaaay out of his depth on The Footy Show - and that's a sad thing because The Footy Show is SEN on television.

FWIW, I thought the bigger turd with a microphone was the dumb cow that was trampling all over the kids trying to get in Juddy's face on Today Tonight. Surely a reasonable journo like Mathew White must look at that and wonder what kind of twits he is working with.

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"No excuse, but I'd been on pain-killers. Shouldn't have been drinking anyway taking antibiotics (after a recent shoulder operation).

Getting on the piss on pain-killers. Not irresponsible behaviour huh?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:36 am 
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So Swanny's been overruled, not for the first time. By who?

But there's a danger that many Carlton supporters, especially with young families, may already be cooling their support for our club that will be dominated by the Fevola persona for years to come.
We might also be in danger of losing some of our first class administrators.


Well said :thumbsup:


Yeah the sky might turn red too :)

any carlton supporter out there that wants to stop supporting the club cos fev made a dick out of him self, then feel free, i only want true supporters at this club.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:46 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Fev !@#$%& up, no doubt. But I reckon we're being a bit precious now. Reckon Juddy can look after himself.


no juddy is the messiah

he cant be touched :)

pressure point pressure point :)


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I had avoided reading this thread, because I knew that it would be a slanging match between the critics and the apologists. But I finally succumbed, after reading Sheahan's article in Friday's paper. I haven't read the whole thread, just bits and pieces, but here's my take.

I work in the field of leadership. It is my job to go into an organisation, and through a series of processes, identify where there are leadership issues, and work out a strategy to address them. I then facilitate the implementation of that strategy. Part of this process is to understand what impact the leadership issues have on the organisation, and ultimately the performance of the organisation. Without wanting to pump up my own tires, I would consider myself to be somewhat of an expert in the field.

All the research, and my own experience, says that the impact of leadership on the performance of an organisation at all levels is massive. The more cut-throat the industry, the harder it is to succeed in an industry, the more significant is the impact of leadership on the organisation. I think we would all agree that football is a cut-throat industry in which it is VERY difficult to have the ultimate success. On a completely level playing field, you will succeed once every 16 years. That will soon become once every 18 years.

But we all know that AFL is not a level playing field. What that means is that a club which does not operate as well as another club, will decrease its chances of success. So once every 16 or 18 years, becomes once every 20 years, or 25 years, or 30 years... Case in point, Richmond. And St Kilda.

Of course, there are a myriad of aspects involved in ‘operating’. Coaching, recruiting, membership, sponsorship, image, culture, climate, administration...they are all aspects that must be got right. It is no coincidence that Geelong finally came good (and look how good) under the stewardship of Costa and Cook. In fact, look at all Premiership clubs, and see how strong and solid they were in all areas.

Increasingly, clubs and other organisations are starting to understand the role of leadership. Geelong and Sydney started the ball rolling. Sydney has been recognised for a number of years as having the strongest leadership. It won them a flag with a team that most considered wasn’t Premiership standard. Geelong sat down after ’06 and had a full review, brought in the leadership consultancy, Leading Teams (which work/ed for a number of teams, each of which improved under their programs), and look at the result. Part of that involved suspending Steve Johnson for 6 weeks. Again, look at the result.

To quote from Hay Group, an international leadership consultancy...

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Your leadership directly affects the way people feel about working for you. You create what we call a ‘climate’. This climate affects the amount of effort people in your organisation contribute. And the more they contribute, the more successful your organisation will be.

Our research shows that leadership accounts for an average of 70% of the variance in climate. A positive climate will increase important bottom line performance measures by up to 30%. So the more you improve their environment, the higher the performance of your team will be.

Six things that will make your people give their best:

1. Clarity – they are clear about where the organisation is going and what their contribution is
2. Standards – There is continual emphasis on improvement and excellence
3. Flexibility – There are no unnecessary rules and procedures and good ideas are acted upon
4. Responsibility – The are empowered to get on with their job and held accountable for it
5. Rewards – They receive appropriate recognition for their level of contribution
6. Team Commitment – There is pride and trust in the organisation


http://www.haygroup.com/tl/Downloads/Leadership_booklet.pdf

The leadership issues of concern at Carlton are Fevola, and the Club itself.

Brendan Fevola is a leader at Carlton. He is in the leadership group, and even if he wasn’t, he is looked up to by the younger players. Fevola’s behaviour is problematic on a number of fronts.

Firstly, it is symptomatic of his ego-centric nature. Now, many people and many footballers are ego-centric, but most somehow manage to put it aside on game day for the good of the team. Fevola clearly struggles with this. The very issue that causes him to have brain fades, spit the dummy or simply not put in 100% on the field is the same that leads him to go out on the drink and make a fool of himself, even when he has admitted that he shouldn’t drink, knows he shouldn’t drink and knows that the Club and those around him don’t want to drink. In leadership, it is referred to as being emotionally unintelligent. It is the essence of ego-centrism - it is all about me, and I am not going to think about how my behaviour will affect those around me (and that can be a conscious or unconscious thought process). If Fevola was to address this trait, to try to become less ego-centric, to consider, and want to consider, how his behaviour impacts on those around him, on those who rely on him, not only would he likely stop drinking, he would almost certainly be a more consistent, and better, player.

Secondly, what is the impact of his behaviour on those around him? On-field and off-field. How does it impact on sponsorship? On the image of the Club? How does it impact on the young players around him? Do they look at his behaviour and say, “well, it’s ok to go out on the drink like that...it’s ok to not chase when things aren’t going well”? Young adults are very impressionable, and Carlton has a list full of young adults.

Thirdly, what about the leadership coming from the Club? Last time Fevola got into trouble, the Club said that the next indiscretion would result him being sacked. Clearly that hasn’t happened (and there may be contractual reasons for that). But a $10,000 fine is barely a slap on the wrist. As has been pointed out, Jason Gram misses a physio session, and got suspended for a week. St Kilda plays in a Grand Final tomorrow. Steve Johnson was suspended for 6 weeks. Geelong played in the next 3 Grand Finals. Tough leadership works. Demanding the absolute best in terms of effort, behaviour, attitude, performance and leadership brings results. It brings down your odds from 1 in 16, to 1 in 12, or 10... But only if it is spot on.

There have been plenty of whispers about a poor culture developing at Carlton. I do not know if it exists or not. Certainly, there have been issues with Fevola, Stevens, Scotland, Betts, Garlett and Cloke. That’s part of the leadership group, and some of the young kids. Not a great sign. That the leadership group, and I include Judd in this assessment, did not take Fevola by the collar on Monday night and physically take him home is a worry (and again, I wasn’t there, so I am only going on reports. But what do you think Jonathan Brown or Brett Kirk would have done if it was Travis Johnston or Barry Hall? Sydney ‘sacked’ Hall for his behaviour).

Look at other clubs over the years which have had leadership or cultural issues, and the lack of success which accompanied it. Look at the successful clubs, and how strong their leadership is. It is leadership that comes from players, from coaches, from administration and from boards. Clubs don’t win Premierships without outstanding leadership at all levels of the organisation. It simply doesn’t happen anymore. We all know that if you are off your peak by ½ %, it costs you.

From an outside observer with a strong and passionate interest in Carlton Football Club, and who follows it as closely as he can, there appears to be some leadership issues at the Club. Fevola has been allowed to get away with his antics over and over, without significant punishment. Looking from the outside, as a supporter whose wants nothing less than a Premiership, there appears to be issues with Fevola, with others in the playing group, and with the administration and coaching department, whose job it is to implement the requisite leadership and which don’t appear to be doing so. The impact that this has on the Club, its image, the playing list and ultimately performance on the field, cannot be understated.

Whether that means discipline, trade or sacking (and surely you would trade, not sack) I don’t know. But it certainly means more than a $10,000 fine and throwing up your hands and saying ‘what more can we do”, and another apology from the player who says yet again that he must stop drinking. Strong leadership starts at the top, and filters down. Poor leadership from the top, infects the whole organisation. The fish rots at the head. It is time for Carlton Football Club to stamp its leadership in no uncertain terms.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:41 am 
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I dont know any 20 something males who go out on a Friday/Saturday night and:

1. Has a few too many

2. Tries to grope a few hotties

3. Gives crap to his mates

4. Cracks some bad jokes

5. Throws up somewhere but the toilet

Make no mistake this is The Footy Show trying to get ratings. They have no other material apart from getting Crawfs to break records and Fev getting tanked. Another thing, have we all gone so soft that its wrong to do any of the above. Did the guy rape someone? sell or take drugs? Physically harm anyone? NO, NO and NO

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:46 am 
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bosman wrote:
Thought Fev and the Juddy pressure point was the funniest thing I've seen all year.

Still blame channel 9 for allowing Fev to do it pissed in the first place.
Still blame the Crown for serving alcohol to an intoxicated person.


I was beginning to feel inadequate and childish because i thought i was the only one who found it funny.

Its all about ratings, turn the !@#$%&* cameras off if he's being a knob dont give him a microphone and go "here fev go and tarnish your rep a bit more"

Ive done my responsible service of alcohol course and i can sure as shit tell everybody that it was not responsibly served to Fev.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:53 am 
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Yeah, Yeah.
It's the footy shows fault. It's crowns fault. It's his team mates fault. It's channel 7's fault and channel 9 too.
Besides, what man with 2 kids and a pregnant wife doesn't try to "grope a few hotties" Apparently it's perfectly normal behaviour.
And let's forget the best, anyone who doesn't have the same low standards as some here, isn't a true supporter! :lol:

It's amazing what stupidity we'll accept and make excuses for because someone can kick a leather ball.

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