I actually think Wallsy gets the gist of most things right. His specifics can sometimes be debated. Funny how when TC'ers are critical of Carlton, they get told that they havent played the game, don't know what its like etc etc etc. Then when someone lke Wallsy or Parko say something critical about Carlton, they're out of touch or don't know what they're talking about etc
Carlton need to be held accountable and if some negative feedback comes their way, so be it. Carlton built its success from the 60's to the 90's on ruthless high expectations that no doubt was laced with critical points of view. Yes we've come from a long way back but please, next year is the dawn of a new decade. Enough with the excuses of the past. Time to move forward without the wooden spoon/DP era as a safety blanket when we don't do well

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I agree with the Fev comments. He did play a good game despite only kicking 3 himself. But another comment Wallsy made was that too much praise is heaped on Fev for chasing, tackling, harrassing etc. He said that forwards doing that these days is just part of the game. Instead of saying how brilliant Fev was he was merely just doing his job - what a good forward should do!

So that being the case Fev did a good job. And he does it most weeks really. Our problem is not Fev. Our problem is that we need another option and at the same time we need to re-program Fev's style of game so he knows that he isnt the only sole option out there. Bringing in a smart forward coach is the key for me. Do I recall Wayne Carey saying a couple of weeks back that he is keen on doing some coaching work at an AFL club?? From memory he wasnt a bad player Carey....definately worth a look I think. Not that we really have a player similar to him that he can help mentor but I'd love to see someone like a Carey get his hands on a Kruezer. Instill some 'mongrel' in the kid and give him the tips and tools he needs to become a great CHF.

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Small forwards yes, but I can't remember ever seeing Jono Brown run someone down from behind in the F50 (or D50 like Fev did a few weeks ago for that matter) and Brown gets held up as the supreme king of AFL forwards by the likes of Walls.

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Touche

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Both have played 23 games. Brown 23 tackles. Fevola 50.

I didn't see Walls, but I agree with him that we piss in Fev's pocket far too much. Our coach continually praises him for doing the things that should be part of any mature players game.

Trade him....send a message to all that we're fair dinkum about building a better club.

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Why didn't Ratten employ a bod to get in between Bradshaw and the low projectory kicks to him on the lead? Bradshaw had a ridiculous 150 odd HS pts.

Why didn't the players have a plan to counter Brisbane's inevitable run-on in the last quarter?

How can Black off one leg beat us?

Why would you pick a skinny kid (Garlett) for a Final, instead of the stronger bodied Yarran who just came off a pretty reasonable game where he could have snagged 3 majors?

When are we going to start to develop Kruezer as a CHF? Cloke will never be elite, and as the past weekend's game showed you need 2 quality fwds in Finals. Warnock and Jacobs could have rucked with Hammer, enabling us to push Kruezer fwd.

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We were five goals up why do you think Ratts should go defensive. If he had of and we lost people would have been going nuts.

We had a game plan in the last. We missed goals they got. Betts, Hampson,Cloke all missed goals that would have settled us down and stopped their momentum. Attack being the best defence strategy.

The triple premiership player was too good for us.

Next season.

People tend to forget that they have 3 triple Premiership players who played very well on Saturday night.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Don't know about you guys, but once Wallsy started banging on about how "few contributors" Lions had in midfield compared the load being shared amongst "7 or 8" Carlton players, I knew we were gone.

Generally respect him as a commentator, but he was strutting this stuff midway through the third and early in the last when there was only 4 or so goals in it. Please Wallsy, contain your excitement. It was wishful thinking, not an "expert" view, me thinks.

In case you weren't aware, we can't win the flag every year.

Does that mean we should constantly point out our shortcommings (until we win the flag) rather than focussing on any positives which may ultimately bring us a flag?

I'm all for constructive criticism and analysis but sometimes we're like a baby who needs his bottle and will keep on screaming till he gets it!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

..the game's changing though.. ..once upon a time, not even the small forwards were all expected to chase and harass and tackle.. ..hell, once upon a time yer ruck just got hitouts, and then took a nap.. ..once upon a time, wingers were highly skilled outside players..

..Fev cops it, cos for years he and Richo enjoyed throwing tantrums on the field [highly entertaining ones at that].. ..admittedly, Fev hasn't been like he used to be, but ppl don't forget over night either..

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So Fev shouldn't be praised for tackling more than comparable players because the game is different these days?
Weird conclusion.

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..Wojee, i didn't say he shouldn't be praised for it, but he shouldn't be praised for it any more than our other players.. ..nowadays, every player is expected to tackle/chase/harass like a fiend..

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Who is giving Fev more praise than our other players?

Ratten?
The media?
Supporters?


I'm surprised that Walls was able to stop boggling over Fev's "unusual grip" long enough to comment on his tackling to be honest.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

..well, Ratts for a start does.. ..the media comments on whether he's in a tackling mood or not, as do the commentators.. ..and also, often we posters do on here..

..as for that whole 'unique fev grip'.. ..umm, its not very unique at all is it..?.. ..quite a few other players hold it a similar way, bettsy did for a whole as did fashion icon and bendy leg nafan.. ..and coulda sworn i saw some old times players in vintage footage hold it a similar way, though truth be told they just grabbed the ball and banged it on the boot half the time.. ..quicky question, with Fev's special handy grip, does it use it when in general play or purely for set shots..?..

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Fevola was huge on Saturday night. Did everything right and left nothing out there. He wouldn't have been out of place as captain of the side. He certainly won me back. Lookout come finals next year.

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Are you on this planet??? Using your second last sentence logic, if Carlton are 10 goals down at half time in a game, Ratten should not point out the shortcomings and pass around positive merit stickers with his lolly pops at half time and tell the boys, "Try your best boys, Brett still loves you. and you never know boys, one day we might win a premiership. Off you go, have fun, I'll be waiting for you win lose or draw with a big hug"

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Do I detect some sarcasm?

I'm just sick of listening to negative supporters at the game (I actually go to games) who aren't happy until we're 50 goals up into time on!

I think we just weren't ready so we choked!
We choked in '94 too.

I have noticed he has altered his grip. His shoulders are no longer lopsided when he kicks for goal and his accuracy has greatly improved.
I didnt mind the old grip but thought it was time for a change .....which he did...which was good. Walls may have fluked that one in the end.
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