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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:23 pm 
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Putting it out there for discussion. I love him just as much as anyone else. But to me (and I'm only a distant spectator) he just doesn't seem to be very outspoken amongst the group. Sure his effort is inspirational in itself. But how good is he at motivating the team when it matters? Should we consider a new captain for 2010? If so who do you think would be best suited and why?

Please discuss.


Dont worry Ump I'll answer your question !

There is more to being a captain than motivating your team. And you just cant go past Chris Judd !!.
I remember when Judd first arrived at Carlton, and the stories i read on here about the younger playing group watching and following
Judds lead on Dieting, training & all the extra little things he does to get the most he can out of himself.

A captain needs to be a leader that can influence the most out of his team. I just cant see anyone else doing that at this time.
Besides, by the way Judd plays should be the motivation enough to get his team to react.

I think the real question that needs to be asked ,who do should be Vice Captain for 2010 ?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:33 pm 
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Quality of threads have gone up since the loss yesterday I see.

We have gone from 100 pages of "Judd has chosen Carlton" to "should Judd continue to be captain?" after a 7 pt loss in a final.

Ridiculous. Some of the stuff here since yesterday is plain @#$%&! stupid.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:38 pm 
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No its not stupid. I am not arguing that he isn't the best person for the role. It's called a discussion.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:42 pm 
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Is this thread by Ump an indication that he is just not up to starting threads & should he leave it to others, for the good of TC - just putting it out there.

Regards Cazzesman



No this thread is an indication that this forum is full of trolls. Not one person has replied to the main question in the topic.


Agreed.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:50 pm 
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I'll say this as plainly as I can. There are a lot of things you can question about this team and the players within, but the one thing you can take to the bank is that no-one within the hallowed halls of the Carlton Football Club is more suited to lead this young group than Chris Judd. We are blessed to have him, and should give thanks.


Agree wholeheartedly. Having said that, I'm sure Judd has elements of his captaincy that he can work on. He's an intelligent man and a perfectionist, and I'm sure he's always looking to improve himself.

Nathan Buckley was a champion player, and is similar in some ways to Judd in personality. His captaincy reportedly improved enormously over time.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:07 pm 
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Big Nick's getting on a bit so Juddy will do me for now...



Simmo would be a great capt and he should be ours.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:44 pm 
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The Carlton Football Club has had better footballers than Judd. The Carlton Football Club has had better Captains. Having said that, Judd is the right man for the job - however once he leads us to the promised land - I believe someone else should get the job. The more important factor are the young leaders that care about the club and are forming an excellent leadership group - I speak of Simpson, Gibbs and Murph.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:09 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Ump wrote:
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Is this thread by Ump an indication that he is just not up to starting threads & should he leave it to others, for the good of TC - just putting it out there.

Regards Cazzesman



No this thread is an indication that this forum is full of trolls. Not one person has replied to the main question in the topic.


Agreed.


So answer the man and put him out of his misery for goodness sake.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:16 pm 
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Think Judd is a quiet leader, but a leader nonetheless.
He's a great player, and a professional athlete.


I don't think he's the best captain in the AFL though, even though he's the best player.


But, who else is there to give the job too?

- Murphy,........no, don't think so.
- Gibbs,.........likely replacement, but not ready yet.
- Fevola?.......i think he'd make a good captain, but he's heads not right!

Judd is the best man to lead this club and i'm happy for him to continue to be our Captain.

Nick Stevens however, should not even be in the leadership group. I don't care how well he plays or how "he gets the best tagger everyweek". He is a weak minded but highly talented individual - NOT a captain!

Judd to lead for 3 more years, then hand the reins to Gibbs.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:55 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
[So answer the man and put him out of his misery for goodness sake.

Regards Cazzesman




I don't think Judd is a peoples captain...what i mean is if he does something special he is so exhausted by the end of it that he just grimaces and bends down to get his breath back when a peoples captain would throw their hands up in the air with some mighty "C'mons!!!!" But there is no denying that he busts an absolute gut for the team..that's why he's always exhausted...he leads by exemplory example but he's not very outspoken...by the looks of things...which i think our team might need...

Ideally i'd like one of our young guns to take over in 2 years or so....if they fit and put their hand up.

Although he is near perfect and he thoroughly deserves the captaincy at the moment...

But what would i know...i spose....just an observation.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:13 am 
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Hes a mercenary, trade him.

And sack Ratten while were at it also


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:31 am 
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The future captain of this club is none other than Matthew Kreuzer, when and only when Judd believe it is time for him to step down as captain. If it's anyone other than him this club is in for a rude awakening.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:32 am 
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Hes a mercenary, trade him.

And sack Ratten while were at it also

Yes,and while we're at it,lets merge with Richmond.
We'll need to actually,after we've thrown out most of the team.
The Carlton Tigers.
I like it. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:46 pm 
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..Juddles [love the man] is an excellent footballer, but a so-so captain.. ..he's not bad mind you, he's avg.. ..he's a vanilla captain, pure and simple.. ..i believe that he gives his all on the football field, and he does it whether he's captain or not, whether he played for the weagles, or for us.. ..he's a consummate professional, and that's terrific for the club, but i believe a captain needs something extra.. ..he doesn't really look out for 'the boys' on the football field, and only really shows a smidgen of mongrel when he himself is personally frustrated..

..however, when he arrived at the club, and now two years later,, he's the best candidate we've got for captain.. ..in a few years time any of our number 1's could be captain [my money on Murphos], but Judd's such a huge 'name' that he'll have others in awe for a few years yet.. ..but ultimately he's too 'nice' to be a captain in such a hard, physical collision type sport where even in the sanitised variety we have now, there's still room [and need] for controlled aggression.. ..and Juddles doesn't have any [not that i've seen]..

..and that's the cold hard facts of my opinion.. ..he ticks alot of boxes, and with our current list he ticks the most boxes so he's the obvious choice as captain.. ..but the O.P didn't ask that, so much as asked what we think/rate and i rate him as a great footballer, average captain..

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:51 pm 
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Makes you wonder why West Coast made him Captain at 22:screwy:
God only knows how he led them to a premiership, oh that's right he had Cousins, Kerr and Cox helping him out.
This really has to be worst flowering thread I have ever seen.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:58 pm 
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But he eats caesar salad

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:04 pm 
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But he eats caesar salad

yeah but it is with skinless chicken and no mayo.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:13 pm 
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Makes you wonder why West Coast made him Captain at 22:screwy:
God only knows how he led them to a premiership, oh that's right he had Cousins, Kerr and Cox helping him out.
This really has to be worst flowering thread I have ever seen.


..not wondering at all why they made him captain.. ..cuzzy stuffed up, but everyone will tell you that juddles was captain only in name/title, good ol' benny boy was the real captain of wc.. ..thats why in all my years of watching grand finals, i've never seen a captain/coach call up another singular player onto the dias to hold the cup like a captain, before the whole team jumps up there..

..juddles got to be captain of wc by default, and if you think he'd have been made captain if benny boy behaved himself, yer kidding yerself.. ..hell, he got to be our captain practically by default as well.. ..if we weren't such a leaderless team when he walked in he wouldn't have been captain, or at least he wouldn't have moonwalked into the position..

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:25 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
woof wrote:
..thats why in all my years of watching grand finals, i've never seen a captain/coach call up another singular player onto the dias to hold the cup like a captain, before the whole team jumps up there..


You never saw Jezza call up Percy in 79? What type of Carlton supporter are you?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:34 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
woof wrote:
Makes you wonder why West Coast made him Captain at 22:screwy:
God only knows how he led them to a premiership, oh that's right he had Cousins, Kerr and Cox helping him out.
This really has to be worst flowering thread I have ever seen.


..not wondering at all why they made him captain.. ..cuzzy stuffed up, but everyone will tell you that juddles was captain only in name/title, good ol' benny boy was the real captain of wc.. ..thats why in all my years of watching grand finals, i've never seen a captain/coach call up another singular player onto the dias to hold the cup like a captain, before the whole team jumps up there..

..juddles got to be captain of wc by default, and if you think he'd have been made captain if benny boy behaved himself, yer kidding yerself.. ..hell, he got to be our captain practically by default as well.. ..if we weren't such a leaderless team when he walked in he wouldn't have been captain, or at least he wouldn't have moonwalked into the position..


You captain a club not just the group of players you play with ... benny couldn't behave himself time and time again and as a result he was not a leader for the club. As the years go by Judd will start to feel more comfortable in the role ... he would have been feeling uncomfortable just walking in and taking on the role but took responsibility to captain the club that was the laughing stock of the decade. Premierships are won on the training track and he certainly leads in this regard. This is far more to captaining than RA RA RA.


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