5 teams skipped rich before us... i wonder if melbourne..wc freo.. port.. and dons are all just spewing into a bucket right now....

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theres gonna be a lot of people looking mighty stupid in the next few years when yarran is up and firing

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

They look stupid already

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STURDYISM!!

I think there have been some great recruits that have shone this year for the Blues-

Joseph - great speed and courage.
Garlett- one of the best goals I have seen all year was his one vs Melbourne
Robinson-a terrier.
Yarran - shows promise with smooth skills.

So there is some upside with recent recruiting.


Port and Essendon* must be "spewing into many buckets", much more than any other team as they have missed Selwood and Rich in a two year period. If Essendon* had Selwood and Rich me thinks they would have finished higher than 8th this year.

personally I think we should move heaven and earth to snag Adelaid's or Westcoast's recruiting team ... can anyone disagree that they seem to get it right way too often not to hate them?

i think development may play a role in that

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Be careful making this kind of statement. A lot of people said that about Livingston, Massie and Vance. Looked what happened there.

Problem I see with Yarran is he is unfit. He struggled to chase therefore his defensive pressure was poor. He had an interupted pre-season and start to the season.

After a pre-season under his belt, I expect him to be a completely different player next year. Whether he has the desire to make it as an AFL footballer player is totally up to him now. Work Hard Yazz!!!

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Again, the Rich argument???? Why ??

He is a one dimensional player with a brilliant kick.

Will be found wanting when he receives the attention given on Saturday night. Quote from those commentating the game "a terrible game " he was beaten by walker, good enough to kick a long goal (when it counted) lucky enough to pick up an errant tap out from hampson (when he was found sitting outside of the pack ). But for those few instances he was out of the game. Hasn't got the pace to play as the link role, lots of blocks by a mitch clarke, power etc to allow him to back out of clearances and kick long to a set position. Very good structure from a seasoned midfield group.

He will be a very good player for Brisbane, and in time will replace black as the sole in and under midfielder.

The point to remember is unlike other more mobile and flexible midfielders, he will struggle outside the circle.

The game has changed, and recruiters now look for players who can swing through a variety of positions and create. Do you real think six other recruiting camps made a mistake, or did they consider their specific needs and considered players with versatility were more important than those that are not!! Yarran will serve us well, and unlike previous years we now can afford to develop our kids with patience and attention to their needs to become a solid AFL preformer. It's no secret that he will be versatile to play in all areas of the ground, his skill and ability to mark above his head will make him a very valuable player.

And this preseason we should finally have the infrastructure finished. We've already got Darren Harris from WC, poach the best from Adelaide and its 10 in a row

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I thought Rich was very ordinary in and under on saturday night. His highlight reel this year would be predominantly made up of open disposals of left foot kicks forward, doesn't get enough inside footy to be an in and under and appears to have no tricks other than a hot to trot left foot. Nice asset to have though, will ensure he has a decent career.

However, i don't think he'll be any better than Hurn for WC to be honest and he slid significantly down the draft order also.

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

The club have admitted that Yarran was not in AFL condition at his arrival, and that his preperation and desire needed to improve. To me, that is an indictment on the recruiting staff, or whoever decided he was our target player at that pick.

It's put a hell of alot of pressure on the footy department to get him fit and convince him to stay.

If they fail, it's the decision makers who've failed - not Yarran, not the TC posters.

We'll all be happy if they succeed.

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Perhaps the club wasn't planning for Yarran to have an immediate impact the way some TC posters want him to.

Perhaps the club is being more realistic about him than TC posters.

Perhaps the club knows something about Rich, like the other clubs that didn't pick him, that TC posters don't know.

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I doubt that. Whinging is an artform on footy forums

Regards Cazzesman

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Don't confuse whinging with the right to ask a question, Cs 'man. I personally don't give a flog if Rich turns out to be the better player than Yarran - as long as we get good value from him - I'm happy.

I will get very disappointed if he doesn't stick it out in Melbourne...and I won't be disappointed in Yaz himself, although if you nominate for the draft, you have to be prepared to go to any point in the country.

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when has he given an indication that he isn't going to stick it out?

There have been rumours, but if my memory is correct, I recall his first presser for the CFC where he suggested he didn't really want to come to Melbourne and would've preferred staying in WA.

We'll just have to cross our fingers.

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Having watched my share of under aged football over the past 4 or 5 years. I can honestly say I've had no real issue with WH picks over that period. Of coarse some have surprised me ( Grigg for one but he showed last year what he could become with a good run with injury ), but on the whole I've thought most of the picks have been around the mark.

To me talent is not the issue, all the guys have that. I would however like a thorough review of the clubs developement department. I would like to know that at the very least our guys are getting the same opportunities and education that all of the other so called elite clubs provide their players. In the Pagan era we were miles behind. We've all heard about the improvements in this area, but we need to know that we have the best of the best running these schemes. Maybe the club should assemble a panel ( pay them well for their time ) of ex players and staffers of some of the leagues better clubs in this area, eg Adelaide, Collingwood and maybe Hawthorn to conduct the review. Even some of the guys at the VIS seem to have terrific knowledge on how the better clubs prepare younger players. Get them on board too. If the review comes back with the answer yes you are doing everything possible, then play on gentlemen. But if it's found lacking then make the necessary moves to bring us up to speed. We're told money is no longer a problem.

Isn't our development department, not even a season old with Darren Harris heading it up?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

You're memory isn't correct.

Yes but is he the best man with the best tools at his disposal. Thats what I want to know.