Honestly we lost a very winnable game, we are exactly were we should be right now we made the finals and just lost. Hughes has done as well as anyother recruiter. Rich has Simon Black and Power in the midfield and Bradshaw and Brown up front. RIch is a great player with a team that makes him look better. Yarran has only Fev who is a lead up forward Id love to seen Yarran at the feet of Bradshaw and Brown.

Hampson great pick up could be anything.
Mitch Robinson great pick up.
Aj has been awesome.
Garlett terrfic pick up.
Armfield did some great things.
Browne has the potential.
Grigg can show something.
Bower unbelieable pick up.
Betts great pick up.
Jacobs showed plenty.

these are just some and I can go on and on. Whats this bloke supposed to do?

Lets not forget our three number ones you can not say we got those wrong?

Rich is far bettter then Yarran right now and maybe in the future but give it time if we dont make the Grand Final around 2011 2012 then every one has to answer including the recruitment staff but right now I'll give Wayne Hughes a B and Im pretty sure in two years it will be upgraded to an A+.

Rich might have helped us win.. We'll never know. He would have helped us more than Yarran throughout the season, but it is still only the end of the first season (for us anyway). We need to wait a bit before passing judgement on Yarran just yet.

As for our other picks, I think some are being a little harsh on Hughes IMO. Some haven't worked and some were average (Bentley). But others like AJ and Armfield were great. Agree it is a little worrisome that Robbo was rated top 10, over some of the others, but he was a steal (and it might have just been a little spruiking). I think Hughes might be getting a bit blamed for our club's development ability.

_________________
I would like to thank Collingwood for helping me keep faith in my old man. He always told me that 'People are thick'.

Read the Subject line, how would you suggest we rate Hughes?

How much of a nice guy he is

He will be measured based on his selections, actually I'm a fan of some of his later selections such as Armfield, Garlett, AJ, Jacobs and Robbo. However I believe he got pick six wrong last year and unfortunately pick 7 assisted Brisbane knocking us out in 2009.

Cazz had some good points in terms of our improvement and we all know this game is all about the 1% and making the right choices to be successful.

think key backs is something that is surely our sore point for yet another year--we actually dominated the midfield all night--killed them..but Merret countered Fev..and Cloke isn't up to it
Brown/Bradshaw won it for them with v little/scant supply
How much for a ''Mathew Scarlett/Michael Hurley type''???

Couple of the players he has picked have questionable disposal and some have very poor decision making
I'm sure Yarren is going to be very good but I'm not 100% sure you should be using a top 10 pick on a flanker - proper midfielder of KPP we had a chance to take either and we didn't I hope we do not regret it

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

We haven't had a strong enough draft presence IMO regardless of the Hughes issue. Whether that was forced on us or not I don't know.

As good as some of the kids are, some of them are second tier players asked to do too much or placed in roles they are not suited to because we just don't have the right options.

The likes of Garlett and Joseph should be pleasing bonuses not recruits of the year. We have chunks of the draft taken out where other clubs find their mids and key-position players, etc, from. When we come to take some of our picks the 'best available' are either flankers and pocket players or players with some kind of deficiency. It adds up.

Having said that, there is the likes of Bentley and a few of the 17 Y/A 'project players' that we choose that just have me scratching my head.

This whole laying the blame issue, however, is just like a tennis match without the scoring. "He's good", "No he's not", add infinitum, just detracts from any constructive process.

It's not an issue of whether the players we recruit are worthy of being on our list or not, it's where we take them sometimes and just how many tricks we have up our sleeves all told.

_________________
Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

_________________
Cheap Bike Insurance
Selling Baseball Cards

I stil maintain that if the 2008 draft happened again, I wouldn't have Rich placed any higher than fourth. I'd definitely take Natinui, Hill, and Hurley before him. I'd also be a chance to take Hartlett first, and think Vickery would be line ball too.

And I've seen enough from Yarran to say he is a far better fit for our list, and a far better option going forward for our list than Rich.

Hughes needs to raise his sights and look for some tall timber and a few more hard nuts.

Game was lost because after 150 games, Thornton failed to put his body on the line. He should have been in front of Brown and challenged Brown to run through him.

Scotland is finished so backman is what we need.

Also a Half forward line.

We were smashed around the ground in the last.
We need to get our players to become better runners.

Had nothing to do with Bower or thornton on Bradshaw and Brown.

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

All sides will have hits and misses. We have benefited from high picks. In fact Hughes may well have had the best array of choices any recruiter has had over 5 seasons. To judge how well he has gone we need to compare ourselves to other teams.

It is very hard to get #1 picks wrong and as expected they are all good choices. What really distinguished recruiters is sorting the wheat from the chaff later on. We have done okay with this but are inferior to other teams. Adelaide have done brilliantly with their post 20 picks. We need to be the best at everything to win a flag. Maybe we need to put more resources into recruiting, or analyse why Adelaide have done so well in the last 5 years. Part of it will be luck, but they have been consistently good with post 20 draft selections so we need to emulate them and be the best at that.

Where we fall behind is in understanding the game and development.
The good sides have kids that understand the game... but their older players do too....

Our list as a whole dont understand the game and our structures are ordinary.
Last night we didnt stand up to the plate .
Our older players were down
Our med players were down.
Alot of our kids were down.

We lost!

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Our Carlton team last night had more experience than the Brisbane side. Inexperience is not a factor.

_________________
Delulio is a member of TISM

from what i have seen this is Yarran, he just needs time and the gym.

What pisses me off more is supporters, saying we got it wrong by expecting every draft pick to be a Judd like star and when they arent saying get rid of the recruiting guys, they stuffed up

I assume you were one of the belivers that thought Russel could not turn in to a footballer, he will never be a super star but he will be a good reliable solid player. whcih is why we drafted him.

yarran is going to be a star he just needs time, and patience from supporters, rich really looks like an 18 year old he is a man child.

rich looks like one of those midget wrestlers to me....

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Yarran has great disposal by either hand or foot and excellent decision making so shouldn't that make him a top 10 player.

Build a bridge.

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

How is Brisbane less experienced then us?? Surely games played by Black, Brown and Bradshaw is more then half our team alone. Our players need time in the gym and a couple more pre seasons and thats it. What will or you negative people do when we are on top?

Depends on what experience you are talking about. They had Brown Bradshaw Black and Power out there.

They were far more experienced than us.

Lions and Blues are very even teams.

They had more inexperienced players than us...
Were scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses .....

We were not drilled all year...
Even when we were winning we were pretty unconvincing.

We get not as much as wed like from our older players.
Our kids seem to have a glass ceiling development wise.
The coach is way out of his depth.
We dont seem to be conditioned to run and our bodies arent getting bigger.

Essentially theyre the problems going into 2010

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.