Marc Murphy

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:57 pm

My biggest problem with Murph is that he tends to go missing when we play badly. When the team is playing well, Murph will usually be starring.

To use a cricket term, he's a bit of a flat track bully.

But, he is quality and I expect (and hope) he will develop a more rounded game in future years.

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

He's not missing, he's just ran the wrong way.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15017

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..the 'cheat' stuff maybe cos he did have a wee bit of 'diving' creep into his game for a little bit, though admittedly you can't blame him since he's been getting buried for little ump protection ever since he started.. ..that's the only remotely 'cheat' stuff i could think of with him..

Then we can rule out an Essendon* player saying it, they dont have players that "dive".

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:49 am

camelboy wrote:

My biggest problem with Murph is that he tends to go missing when we play badly. When the team is playing well, Murph will usually be starring.

To use a cricket term, he's a bit of a flat track bully.

But, he is quality and I expect (and hope) he will develop a more rounded game in future years.

..can't say i agree, he's played v.good games in our losing sides over the years, especially if you look back to the pre-judd [pre-winning] seasons of his 'early' career..

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:51 am

..the problem with him throwing his head back, and his arms out wide is because he gets so little free's that he needs to exaggerrate the action for the blind umps to even notice.. ..all his footy with us, he gets routinely crunched by the opposition for little ump protection.. ..i blame our club, they should have been more up-front with the umps about the treatment he's gotten ever since joining the club.. ..hell, watch Juddles and you'll see him throw his arms out wide when being dragged down without the ball, etc etc..

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:28 am

Sorry, I've stumbled into the Punt Road End.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:53 pm

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

camelboy wrote:

My biggest problem with Murph is that he tends to go missing when we play badly. When the team is playing well, Murph will usually be starring.

To use a cricket term, he's a bit of a flat track bully.

But, he is quality and I expect (and hope) he will develop a more rounded game in future years.

..can't say i agree, he's played v.good games in our losing sides over the years, especially if you look back to the pre-judd [pre-winning] seasons of his 'early' career..

That may be so, but I can't say it has been the case in 2009.

I don't see it as a major concern yet, more a casual observation from afar.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Carlton fans overrate Murph.

He's a good player at the moment who could develop into a very good player, IMO.

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:37 pm

budzy wrote:

Carlton fans overrate Murph.

He's a good player at the moment who could develop into a very good player, IMO.

I think that is what we are all saying. His start to the season was fantastic. He has still been playing well in patches but a consistant effort week in week out will take him to the next level.

He is a classy player and a worthy no1 pick in the 2005 draft.

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:18 pm

nightcrawler wrote:

The more appropriate description is he's a cherry picker. Whilst he certainly cherry picks, not all his goals are from running ahead of the play. Its also worth remembering that sometimes when a player is in space it just means he read the play much better than his opponent.

As for the other stuff. As bondi said, they don't pay him anything these days, even when he almost loses his head. Hopefully he'll reflect on that over the off season, but it'll probably take him half his career to lose the stigma and get fair treatment from the umpires. Lets just hope he doesn't end up on a DVD like Whitnall, that's a life sentence.

Smart footballers read the play.

As far as the diving goes he never got frees in the first place before he decided to accentuate it but at least he can hold his head up proud knowing he hasnt sold himself out unlike messrs Lloyd and Hird. I lost count of the amount of time I have witnessed the Scums runner spint out to them at the start of a game with a towel because they had forgotten to wipe their chins.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:34 pm

budzy wrote:

Carlton fans overrate Murph.

He's a good player at the moment who could develop into a very good player, IMO.

Easy thing to say budzy. Hard thing to prove.

I have underated him prior to this year.

He is definetely not overated imo.

He's a damn good player who does put his head over the ball with courage as well as get out in the open and run with the ball.....and kicks goals.

What is there to over rate? Facts speak for themselves in 2009 and he's still just a pup.

I think he'll do well in the B & F as well as the Brownlow.

Lets just wait and see what happens on Brownlow night.

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:41 pm

bondiblue wrote:

budzy wrote:

I think he'll do well in the B & F as well as the Brownlow.

I think he mught just pip Juddy for the B&F this year.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Absolutely correct Mrs C - BEEN OUR BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER all year -over rated you have got to be kidding one of the best young on-ballers in the AFL - now kicks goals - takes on responsibility - rarely beaten all year - single handedly almost won last weeks game for us - 4 goals - BOG and been in bed with bronchitus all week

blueboy8 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:13 pm **Posts:** 972

frank dardew wrote:

Absolutely correct Mrs C - BEEN OUR BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER all year -over rated you have got to be kidding one of the best young on-ballers in the AFL - now kicks goals - takes on responsibility - rarely beaten all year - single handedly almost won last weeks game for us - 4 goals - BOG and been in bed with bronchitus all week

I forget which site i'm on sometimes.

Ytoojae · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:13 pm

I know dream team is based on stats, but... I dont think it much of a stretch to look at it this way;

I bump the defenders up by 1.16x their score, apologies to the formatting

Dream Team

1. Bryce Gibbs: 105.17 (18) 2. Marc Murphy: 101.89 (18) 3. Jarrad Waite: 100.79 (9) 4. Chris Judd: 96.17 (18) 5. Bret Thornton: 91.99 (16) 6. Kade Simpson: 87.50 (18) 7. Paul Bower: 85.84 (16) 8. Brendan Fevola: 84.94 (18) 9. Nick Stevens: 84.83 (12) 10. Ryan Houlihan: 83.14 (15) 11. Andrew Carrazzo: 80.80 (10) 12. Heath Scotland: 80.25 (12) 13. Richard Hadley: 79.12 (8) 14. Steven Browne: 77.34 (6) 15. Jordan Russell: 74.00 (15) 16. Matthew Kreuzer: 73.33 (18) 17. Simon Wiggins: 73.25 (8) 18. Shaun Grigg: 70.33 (9) 19. Cameron Cloke: 68.43 (7) 20. Brad Fisher: 66.57 (7) 21. Edward Betts: 63.00 (18) 22. Mitch Robinson: 60.62 (8)

Others

Dennis Armfield - 58.96 (13) Aaron Joseph - 56.51 (18) Setanta O'hAilpin - 48.00 (8) Mark Austin - 44.73 (9) Michael Jamison - 43.36 (13)

Supercoach (again defenders adjusted)

1. Bret Thornton: 113.23 (16); 2. Marc Murphy: 113.22 (18); 3. Chris Judd: 113.11 (18); 4. Jarrad Waite: 111.23; 5. Paul Bower: 106.72; 6. Bryce Gibbs: 103.44 (18); 7. Kade Simpson: 92.94 (18); 8. Ryan Houlihan: 91.33 (15); 9. Brendan Fevola 88.06 (18); 10. Nick Stevens: 85.83 (12); 11. Heath Scotland: 85.50 (12); 12. Andrew Carrazzo: 82.30 (10); 13. Matthew Kreuzer 80.28 (18); ; 14. Richard Hadley 77.00 (8); 15. Edward Betts: 76.56 (18); 16. Shaun Grigg: 73.78 (9); 17. Simon Wiggins: 67.12 (17); 18. Jordan Russell: 66.40 (15); 19. Chris Johnson: 66.33 (9); 20. Brad Fisher: 65.29 (7); 21. Cameron Cloke: 65.00 (7); 22. Aaron Joseph: 55.89 (18)

Others

Setanta O'hAilpin: 55.88 (8); Steven Browne: 55.67 (6); Dennis Armfield: 60.76 (13); Mark Austin: 60.72 (9); Mitch Robinson: 52.25 (8); Michael Jamison (46.94).

So the statistics would show that Murphy is in with a good shot at the B&F this season and that we Carlton fans still tend to underrate him in comparison to the rest of the team. The player I thought that we tend to overrate is Eddie Betts. I know he's a good little goal sneak and he tries his guts out, but I really don't know what all the hype is about over him. Don't take it that I don't like him because I do, but, I dont understand the hype on this board about Bettsy. Someone care to explain to me why he is rated so highly? Thanks.

Bluey89 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:29 pm **Posts:** 165

I reckon Murph's a gun and has notably improved every season so far. I agree that he will go very close to winning the B&F this year. Will be a very worthy winner IMO.

With Eddie Betts for the poster above, I reckon he starts seasons off so well and was absolutely awesome at the start this year and fans calling for an All Australian spot were probably deserved but very premature.
He has definately dropped off in form since the start of the year.

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:24 pm

Ytoojae wrote:

The player I thought that we tend to overrate is Eddie Betts. I know he's a good little goal sneak and he tries his guts out, but I really don't know what all the hype is about over him. Don't take it that I don't like him because I do, but, I dont understand the hype on this board about Bettsy. Someone care to explain to me why he is rated so highly? Thanks.

..i reckon he's used poorly.. ..and definately suffers when our fwd structure breaks down.. ..otherwise he's quick, courageous,, extremely skilled, a fantastic contested mark for his size.. ..he plays smart, reads the play exceptionally well, some of the quickest hands in the business.. ..and still young too [22/23?]..

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

Ytoojae wrote:

I know dream team is based on stats, but... I dont think it much of a stretch to look at it this way;

I bump the defenders up by 1.16x their score, apologies to the formatting

Dream Team

1. Bryce Gibbs: 105.17 (18) 2. Marc Murphy: 101.89 (18) 3. Jarrad Waite: 100.79 (9) 4. Chris Judd: 96.17 (18) 5. Bret Thornton: 91.99 (16) 6. Kade Simpson: 87.50 (18) 7. Paul Bower: 85.84 (16) 8. Brendan Fevola: 84.94 (18) 9. Nick Stevens: 84.83 (12) 10. Ryan Houlihan: 83.14 (15) 11. Andrew Carrazzo: 80.80 (10) 12. Heath Scotland: 80.25 (12) 13. Richard Hadley: 79.12 (8) 14. Steven Browne: 77.34 (6) 15. Jordan Russell: 74.00 (15) 16. Matthew Kreuzer: 73.33 (18) 17. Simon Wiggins: 73.25 (8) 18. Shaun Grigg: 70.33 (9) 19. Cameron Cloke: 68.43 (7) 20. Brad Fisher: 66.57 (7) 21. Edward Betts: 63.00 (18) 22. Mitch Robinson: 60.62 (8)

Others

Dennis Armfield - 58.96 (13) Aaron Joseph - 56.51 (18) Setanta O'hAilpin - 48.00 (8) Mark Austin - 44.73 (9) Michael Jamison - 43.36 (13)

Supercoach (again defenders adjusted)

1. Bret Thornton: 113.23 (16); 2. Marc Murphy: 113.22 (18); 3. Chris Judd: 113.11 (18); 4. Jarrad Waite: 111.23; 5. Paul Bower: 106.72; 6. Bryce Gibbs: 103.44 (18); 7. Kade Simpson: 92.94 (18); 8. Ryan Houlihan: 91.33 (15); 9. Brendan Fevola 88.06 (18); 10. Nick Stevens: 85.83 (12); 11. Heath Scotland: 85.50 (12); 12. Andrew Carrazzo: 82.30 (10); 13. Matthew Kreuzer 80.28 (18); ; 14. Richard Hadley 77.00 (8); 15. Edward Betts: 76.56 (18); 16. Shaun Grigg: 73.78 (9); 17. Simon Wiggins: 67.12 (17); 18. Jordan Russell: 66.40 (15); 19. Chris Johnson: 66.33 (9); 20. Brad Fisher: 65.29 (7); 21. Cameron Cloke: 65.00 (7); 22. Aaron Joseph: 55.89 (18)

Others

Setanta O'hAilpin: 55.88 (8); Steven Browne: 55.67 (6); Dennis Armfield: 60.76 (13); Mark Austin: 60.72 (9); Mitch Robinson: 52.25 (8); Michael Jamison (46.94).

So the statistics would show that Murphy is in with a good shot at the B&F this season and that we Carlton fans still tend to underrate him in comparison to the rest of the team. The player I thought that we tend to overrate is Eddie Betts. I know he's a good little goal sneak and he tries his guts out, but I really don't know what all the hype is about over him. Don't take it that I don't like him because I do, but, I dont understand the hype on this board about Bettsy. Someone care to explain to me why he is rated so highly? Thanks.

Hey there Ratts....shouldn't you be planning tonites big game?

Donstuie · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:35 pm

MarkNo3 wrote:

nightcrawler wrote:

The more appropriate description is he's a cherry picker. Whilst he certainly cherry picks, not all his goals are from running ahead of the play. Its also worth remembering that sometimes when a player is in space it just means he read the play much better than his opponent.

As for the other stuff. As bondi said, they don't pay him anything these days, even when he almost loses his head. Hopefully he'll reflect on that over the off season, but it'll probably take him half his career to lose the stigma and get fair treatment from the umpires. Lets just hope he doesn't end up on a DVD like Whitnall, that's a life sentence.

Smart footballers read the play.

As far as the diving goes he never got frees in the first place before he decided to accentuate it but at least he can hold his head up proud knowing he hasnt sold himself out unlike messrs Lloyd and Hird. I lost count of the amount of time I have witnessed the Scums runner spint out to them at the start of a game with a towel because they had forgotten to wipe their chins.

I'm sure if he goes out to play in a red and black jumper wearing #6 he'll be right as rain.

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

bluegirl72 wrote:

Ytoojae wrote:

I know dream team is based on stats, but... I dont think it much of a stretch to look at it this way;

I bump the defenders up by 1.16x their score, apologies to the formatting

Dream Team

1. Bryce Gibbs: 105.17 (18) 2. Marc Murphy: 101.89 (18) 3. Jarrad Waite: 100.79 (9) 4. Chris Judd: 96.17 (18) 5. Bret Thornton: 91.99 (16) 6. Kade Simpson: 87.50 (18) 7. Paul Bower: 85.84 (16) 8. Brendan Fevola: 84.94 (18) 9. Nick Stevens: 84.83 (12) 10. Ryan Houlihan: 83.14 (15) 11. Andrew Carrazzo: 80.80 (10) 12. Heath Scotland: 80.25 (12) 13. Richard Hadley: 79.12 (8) 14. Steven Browne: 77.34 (6) 15. Jordan Russell: 74.00 (15) 16. Matthew Kreuzer: 73.33 (18) 17. Simon Wiggins: 73.25 (8) 18. Shaun Grigg: 70.33 (9) 19. Cameron Cloke: 68.43 (7) 20. Brad Fisher: 66.57 (7) 21. Edward Betts: 63.00 (18) 22. Mitch Robinson: 60.62 (8)

Others

Dennis Armfield - 58.96 (13) Aaron Joseph - 56.51 (18) Setanta O'hAilpin - 48.00 (8) Mark Austin - 44.73 (9) Michael Jamison - 43.36 (13)

Supercoach (again defenders adjusted)

1. Bret Thornton: 113.23 (16); 2. Marc Murphy: 113.22 (18); 3. Chris Judd: 113.11 (18); 4. Jarrad Waite: 111.23; 5. Paul Bower: 106.72; 6. Bryce Gibbs: 103.44 (18); 7. Kade Simpson: 92.94 (18); 8. Ryan Houlihan: 91.33 (15); 9. Brendan Fevola 88.06 (18); 10. Nick Stevens: 85.83 (12); 11. Heath Scotland: 85.50 (12); 12. Andrew Carrazzo: 82.30 (10); 13. Matthew Kreuzer 80.28 (18); ; 14. Richard Hadley 77.00 (8); 15. Edward Betts: 76.56 (18); 16. Shaun Grigg: 73.78 (9); 17. Simon Wiggins: 67.12 (17); 18. Jordan Russell: 66.40 (15); 19. Chris Johnson: 66.33 (9); 20. Brad Fisher: 65.29 (7); 21. Cameron Cloke: 65.00 (7); 22. Aaron Joseph: 55.89 (18)

Others

Setanta O'hAilpin: 55.88 (8); Steven Browne: 55.67 (6); Dennis Armfield: 60.76 (13); Mark Austin: 60.72 (9); Mitch Robinson: 52.25 (8); Michael Jamison (46.94).

So the statistics would show that Murphy is in with a good shot at the B&F this season and that we Carlton fans still tend to underrate him in comparison to the rest of the team. The player I thought that we tend to overrate is Eddie Betts. I know he's a good little goal sneak and he tries his guts out, but I really don't know what all the hype is about over him. Don't take it that I don't like him because I do, but, I dont understand the hype on this board about Bettsy. Someone care to explain to me why he is rated so highly? Thanks.

Hey there Ratts....shouldn't you be planning tonites big game?

That joke just never gets old...

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