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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:27 pm 
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No not at all.

He isnt up to it and wont be up to it...

StKilda did have a gameplan last year. They finished 4th and their gameplan was obvious.

Lyon has a long long apprentiship under his belt.
He was here under Brittain.. im pretty sure he had a year under Pagan.. and then had a few under Roos.

Ratts?

Nothing....


So Synbad you know so much about Ratts and his experience?
I beleive he was an assistant at Melbourne and at Carlton?
Yes? :thumbsup:


I like how Ratts mixed it up a bit and between both AFL assistant stints took on the running of a whole team in Norwood. Clever move by Ratts and no doubt very educational.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:51 pm 
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Look,
you've got your carltons' and your norths' and possibly need your hugh lauries ...and does it matter how you talk to the media? maybe,look,possibly,I dunno,but let's just get the ball,and we'll see..yeah?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:52 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
So Synbad you know so much about Ratts and his experience?
I beleive he was an assistant at Melbourne and at Carlton?
Yes? :thumbsup:


It is also funny how Ratts has been painted as some dud, in other threads, that only managed to pick up the assistants role at Carlton due to his mates :wink:

The fact that he knocked back an assistants role at Port to coach Norwood and higher paying jobs at other clubs to take the Carlton assistants role is never mentioned by the discontented.

Now many may not like the path he has taken to become our senior coach, but this attempt tp paint him as some nuff nuff not respected in the industry, who was so down on his luck that he could only get the Carlton assistants gig for starters, due to his mates, just isn't true.

Maybe he should have taken the Port job instead of Norwood, it would have certainly looked better on his CV, but perhaps he didn't want to move his family again... I'm sure he considered the discontented in his decision though :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:04 pm 
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club29 wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
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No not at all.

He isnt up to it and wont be up to it...

StKilda did have a gameplan last year. They finished 4th and their gameplan was obvious.

Lyon has a long long apprentiship under his belt.
He was here under Brittain.. im pretty sure he had a year under Pagan.. and then had a few under Roos.

Ratts?

Nothing....


So Synbad you know so much about Ratts and his experience?
I beleive he was an assistant at Melbourne and at Carlton?
Yes? :thumbsup:


I like how Ratts mixed it up a bit and between both AFL assistant stints took on the running of a whole team in Norwood. Clever move by Ratts and no doubt very educational.


Sheesh, one verbs is enough ..don't you start club29! :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:03 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now. :eek: :screwy:


I've used this quote before, but it is another Ratts thread :razz:

“When you handball when you should kick … it’s about decision-making, I ask the question in the box – ‘do we train that’ and the response is ‘no’, and I ask the players ‘do we train that’ and they say no. But sometimes the pressure of games and pressure of the opposition make you do funny things – which we want to eradicate if we’re going to be a top team.”

Lyon said that after the Saints lost to Port early last season.

I think the quote sums us up, but unlike St Kilda who still have the core of an underperforming top four side, we have a lot more players who have needed re-education in two way football. It isn't as easy as some seem to think to change thought processes and habits.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:24 pm 
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Belisarius wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now. :eek: :screwy:


I've used this quote before, but it is another Ratts thread :razz:

“When you handball when you should kick … it’s about decision-making, I ask the question in the box – ‘do we train that’ and the response is ‘no’, and I ask the players ‘do we train that’ and they say no. But sometimes the pressure of games and pressure of the opposition make you do funny things – which we want to eradicate if we’re going to be a top team.”

Lyon said that after the Saints lost to Port early last season.

I think the quote sums us up, but unlike St Kilda who still have the core of an underperforming top four side, we have a lot more players who have needed re-education in two way football. It isn't as easy as some seem to think to change thought processes and habits.


Well said, and fantastic supporting quote. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:37 pm 
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Gilly wrote:
I clearly need to brush up on my public speaking gags

Look! Gilly.
Did I leave my sense of humour at home? Possibly
Did I post in haste? Probably
Should I read posts more carefully before responding? Definitely.
Do I feel a little sheepish? Indupitably
Is that the last time I post re coaches and public speaking? Hopefully


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:54 pm 
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Belisarius wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now. :eek: :screwy:


I've used this quote before, but it is another Ratts thread :razz:

“When you handball when you should kick … it’s about decision-making, I ask the question in the box – ‘do we train that’ and the response is ‘no’, and I ask the players ‘do we train that’ and they say no. But sometimes the pressure of games and pressure of the opposition make you do funny things – which we want to eradicate if we’re going to be a top team.”

Lyon said that after the Saints lost to Port early last season.

I think the quote sums us up, but unlike St Kilda who still have the core of an underperforming top four side, we have a lot more players who have needed re-education in two way football. It isn't as easy as some seem to think to change thought processes and habits.


Yeah but that came from the mouth of Lyon NOT our coach.
IMO that qoute has absolutely nothing to do with Ratts and his game plan.

If Ratts had of said that then i wouldn't be as worried about our future under him.
IMO the only thing Ratts worries about is quoting stat after stat after stat..................


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:35 pm 
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budzy wrote:

Sheesh, one verbs is enough ..don't you start club29! :cool:


You said it....this is not a pre-school thread.... :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Belisarius wrote:
I've used this quote before, but it is another Ratts thread :razz:

“When you handball when you should kick … it’s about decision-making, I ask the question in the box – ‘do we train that’ and the response is ‘no’, and I ask the players ‘do we train that’ and they say no. But sometimes the pressure of games and pressure of the opposition make you do funny things – which we want to eradicate if we’re going to be a top team.”

Lyon said that after the Saints lost to Port early last season.

I think the quote sums us up, but unlike St Kilda who still have the core of an underperforming top four side, we have a lot more players who have needed re-education in two way football. It isn't as easy as some seem to think to change thought processes and habits.


Yeah but that came from the mouth of Lyon NOT our coach.
IMO that qoute has absolutely nothing to do with Ratts and his game plan.

If Ratts had of said that then i wouldn't be as worried about our future under him.
IMO the only thing Ratts worries about is quoting stat after stat after stat..................


I think you have missed the point Deano :smile:

You are correct that Ratts didn't say it...it was Lyon, who also seems to love stats :yikes:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:25 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Belisarius wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now. :eek: :screwy:


I've used this quote before, but it is another Ratts thread :razz:

“When you handball when you should kick … it’s about decision-making, I ask the question in the box – ‘do we train that’ and the response is ‘no’, and I ask the players ‘do we train that’ and they say no. But sometimes the pressure of games and pressure of the opposition make you do funny things – which we want to eradicate if we’re going to be a top team.”

Lyon said that after the Saints lost to Port early last season.

I think the quote sums us up, but unlike St Kilda who still have the core of an underperforming top four side, we have a lot more players who have needed re-education in two way football. It isn't as easy as some seem to think to change thought processes and habits.


Yeah but that came from the mouth of Lyon NOT our coach.
IMO that qoute has absolutely nothing to do with Ratts and his game plan.

If Ratts had of said that then i wouldn't be as worried about our future under him.
IMO the only thing Ratts worries about is quoting stat after stat after stat..................


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/ourteam/index.php/heraldsun/comments/reign_of_the_stats_man/

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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Sheesh, one verbs is enough ..don't you start club29! :cool:


You said it....this is not a pre-school thread.... :razz:


Haha easy chaps. I do like Verbs' style so maybe a bit of it has rubbed off on me. Seems like a bloke who can handle a loss and doesnt just fly off the handle like some.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:54 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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It's getting very hard to defend this team against charges from mates who claim we've ruined Friday Night Football.


Your mates are tools. There have been some other horrendous matches on Fridays not involving us.


Calm down KK. The last two weeks would be amongst the 10 worst games of the season, EASILY. Only a fan of the teams involved, a lunatic, and Pink would willingly sit through four quarters of the rubbish we've witnessed.

I'm going to get horrendously off topic here, but I can't for the life of me understand why we don't have a floating draw for Friday Nights six weeks out. If the NFL can do it, it can't be impossible for the AFL. It may too HARD, but it isn't impossible.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:40 pm 
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I'm going to get horrendously off topic here, but I can't for the life of me understand why we don't have a floating draw for Friday Nights six weeks out. If the NFL can do it, it can't be impossible for the AFL. It may too HARD, but it isn't impossible.


I'm really glad we don't. One more concessions to dollars over the fans.

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Can't wait for some around here to contribute to this thread and give us a rundown on the gameplans of the other 15 teams...if they have one.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:16 am 
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club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
budzy wrote:

Sheesh, one verbs is enough ..don't you start club29! :cool:


You said it....this is not a pre-school thread.... :razz:


Haha easy chaps. I do like Verbs' style so maybe a bit of it has rubbed off on me. Seems like a bloke who can handle a loss and doesnt just fly off the handle like some.


I've been known to fly off the handle, but never about a loss. 2009 has been pretty damn good. To think last year we got highly excited when we spent one week, just one solitary week, in the eight. Here we are after round 18 having spent only one week OUT of the eight. I certainly wasn't expecting quite that this year.

Funny too, people forget that we played St Kilda on a Friday night and that game was widely considered to be one of the best games of footy in years. And it was too.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:58 am 
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If carlton had a 'well defined game plan' as some people are asking for wouldn't that make us easier to beat for teams once they figure this plan out?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:32 am 
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Juzzy wrote:
If carlton had a 'well defined game plan' as some people are asking for wouldn't that make us easier to beat for teams once they figure this plan out?


Figuring it out is one thing being able to beat it is another.
StKilda's game plan revolves around putting heaps of pressure on the opposition when they have the ball. They have 3 to 4 performance indicators which tell them if they get to the required level they should win. Every team that plays them knows what is going to happen, yet nobody has beaten them yet. I think this is an area we can improve in and if you want evidence of this only a couple of weeks ago we let Collingwood have a record 73 bounces in a game. I am sick to death of our blokes standing back of the mark when the ump has called play on, we need to be a lot more agressive and run at the player with the ball. I am also sick to death of our blokes standing the mark and standing side on encouraging the player with the ball to kick out wide. We sometimes let the opposition rack up easy stats which can build into momentum for them.


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TruBlueBrad wrote:
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25680

Can't wait for some around here to contribute to this thread and give us a rundown on the gameplans of the other 15 teams...if they have one.

a quick read of any other teams forums after a loss will tell you...
- their gameplan sucks
- they have no plan B
- their coach is no good
- why does player A continually get a game
- why cant player B get a game
-they have no idea about modern football

...sound familiar??

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