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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:33 pm 
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Call me what ever you like but if i were in charge the next two players who do that explosive salute after a goal will sit on the bench. GET OVER YOURSELVES!


And no patting players on the back after they do something good for the team. They should be expected to do good for the team. And anyone in the crowd cheering goals should just go home. We dont need that ! Anyone being happy after a win also make me sick.


DID I SAY THAT.

That pathetic little explosive thing they do is nothing but embarrassing. Acting like a bunch prima donna show ponies

I flower hate it and i bet if it were Thomas, Didak and Medhurst doing it you'd agree.


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:38 pm 
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Melvey has a point.

I agree in part.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:43 pm 
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It's no biggie IMO.

It's a little thing that they do and it puts s smile on the dial.

Not all of them do it and it appears to be only a few -Fev, Eddie, Smurph, Simmo.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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All the Carlton supporters at my footy club (including me) do it at training now. :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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All the Carlton supporters at my footy club (including me) do it at training now. :grin:

:lol: nice one

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:40 pm 
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verbs wrote:
All the Carlton supporters at my footy club (including me) do it at training now. :grin:


yeah see how it goes on the field at local level


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:13 pm 
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My 5 year old does it at every opportunity.

Mildly annoying

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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Melvey (& others) have officially lost the plot. Seriously complaining over a tiny little thing they do after kicking a goal? :screwy:

I blame Ratten.


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:22 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Call me what ever you like but if i were in charge the next two players who do that explosive salute after a goal will sit on the bench. GET OVER YOURSELVES!


And no patting players on the back after they do something good for the team. They should be expected to do good for the team. And anyone in the crowd cheering goals should just go home. We dont need that ! Anyone being happy after a win also make me sick.


:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:30 pm 
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pros;
austin; has a crack!! the more games the better the key defender will be.
gibbs; say no more.
murphy; see above.
walker; gets through.
hadley; the in and under player we need.
stevens; can still play and can still hit a target 50mtr away, unlike half of them!

cons;
forward line; MUST target a key forward.
ratten; game plan? how can north run the ball out of our forward line so easy and we cant do the same in there forward line?
kick in's; please ratten sort it out.
jamison; hope too see you soon.


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:58 pm 
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Pros

1. We won. Much better than Nos. 2 & 4 below.
2. Our Finals competitors keep losing.
3. Combination of Nos 1 & 2 above means 2 games and % in the 8.
4. One particular finals aspirant lost in consecutive weeks to sides trying to
lose.

Cons

Bugger the cons. We look like playing finals. We know where we stand what needs to improve. Finals experience is important.


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:03 pm 
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The Shag wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Pro: We won

Cons: Kick ins
Defending their kick ins
Forward line is a shambles. Fev is about the only player that can take a mark inside 50
Why is Betts our CHF?



more importantly, why do players, on numerous occasions, believe betts will be able to OUTMARK his opponents in a two on one situation.


and more importantly than that, why do players, on innumerable occasions, believe Fev will be able to OUTMARK his opponents in a three and four on one situation?


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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sinbagger wrote:
The Shag wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Pro: We won

Cons: Kick ins
Defending their kick ins
Forward line is a shambles. Fev is about the only player that can take a mark inside 50
Why is Betts our CHF?



more importantly, why do players, on numerous occasions, believe betts will be able to OUTMARK his opponents in a two on one situation.


and more importantly than that, why do players, on innumerable occasions, believe Fev will be able to OUTMARK his opponents in a three and four on one situation?


Because we lack a clear system for our forward 50 entires.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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Pro:
We won
Cons:
We should have lost.
The umpiring is getting harder to decypher every time I go to the footy.
The kids are tiring IMO and will be lucky to run out the season the way they did it mid season.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:10 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
club29 wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Call me what ever you like but if i were in charge the next two players who do that explosive salute after a goal will sit on the bench. GET OVER YOURSELVES!


And no patting players on the back after they do something good for the team. They should be expected to do good for the team. And anyone in the crowd cheering goals should just go home. We dont need that ! Anyone being happy after a win also make me sick.


DID I SAY THAT.

That pathetic little explosive thing they do is nothing but embarrassing. Acting like a bunch prima donna show ponies

I flower hate it and i bet if it were Thomas, Didak and Medhurst doing it you'd agree.


True but this time its fev and betts so its ok. Its fun and gives the kids in the crowd a thrill. Not worth getting all worked up over. Good to see some of ours showing a bit flair that gets under the noses of other teams fans like Didaks little shimmy.


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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:35 pm 
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Because we lack a clear system for our forward 50 entires.
Clear to the opposition :?:

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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isdonis.george wrote:
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Because we lack a clear system for our forward 50 entires.
Clear to the opposition :?:


Let me re-phrase ...we lack an effective system/s entering our fwd 50. What we are currently doing is very clear for the opposition in that it is very predictable (i.e. bomb to Fev no mater how many opponents are hanging off him) thereby making it ineffective.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:42 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
isdonis.george wrote:
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Because we lack a clear system for our forward 50 entires.
Clear to the opposition :?:


Let me re-phrase ...we lack an effective system/s entering our fwd 50. What we are currently doing is very clear for the opposition in that it is very predictable (i.e. bomb to Fev no mater how many opponents are hanging off him) thereby making it ineffective.



Because there's no one else in the forwardline presenting in the vast spaces of our forwardline.

You need targets forward if you intend taking the ball forward.

At present there's no doubt in my mind that that we are very defensive (most of the time).

To teach all the players to defend as an instinct? (Plan A)
To let them go only when we're behind? (Plan B)
To keep close to the opposition to avoid blow outs (from the Pagan era)?
Percentage is a KPI for the team/ coach this year?

I hope Plan A is 2009 and 2010 after the preseason we balance the ledger with more attack (Paln C)

We need forward targets.

Hawks have Buddy and Roughy
STK have Nick and Milne (and Kosi)
GEEL have Mooney Johnson (and Hawkins)

Good teams always have someone to go to (well most of the time).

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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bondiblue wrote:

Because there's no one else in the forwardline presenting in the vast spaces of our forwardline.

You need targets forward if you intend taking the ball forward.

At present there's no doubt in my mind that that we are very defensive (most of the time).

To teach all the players to defend as an instinct? (Plan A)
To let them go only when we're behind? (Plan B)
To keep close to the opposition to avoid blow outs (from the Pagan era)?
Percentage is a KPI for the team/ coach this year?

I hope Plan A is 2009 and 2010 after the preseason we balance the ledger with more attack (Paln C)

We need forward targets.

Hawks have Buddy and Roughy
STK have Nick and Milne (and Kosi)
GEEL have Mooney Johnson (and Hawkins)

Good teams always have someone to go to (well most of the time).


That someone to go to needs to be presenting and the someone delivering needs to be considering that someone to go to...i.e. it should ba part of a strategy surely.

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 Post subject: Re: R18: Pros & Cons
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We see it every week. Fev leads with the FB holding on and at least one other player running to intercept or even in the same marking contest. Meanwhile, there is another player who is suddenly free being ignored or having to try and crumb.
Fev is a great option on the fast lead and we see that also every week.
The Hawks use Hodge as a sweeper across half back but clubs that use his man as the go-to target when Hodge leaves him for the key forward have had success as making him think twice about it.
Against Geelong (and others in weeks to come), we have to identify who is the player going second up with Fev and kick it to his man, who should run AWAY from the contest and make space for himself. ATM most attackers run TOWARDS the contest when their defender runs to double team Fev, making a crowd and making the defender unaccountable.
Banging it long to Fev is a tactic we have used for ten years and I think some of the opposition coaches are starting to catch on.

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