We need to invest heavily in the coaching set up this year. Part time coaches, player coaches, coaches more interested in playing bush footy, inexperience surrounded by inexperience, no wonder we struggle on the field. Must get some quality experience and competence around Ratten for 2010.

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

Couldn't agree more.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

It is very much like the E 5 model. Engage Explain Explore Ellaborate and Evaluate.

When you get to the Evaluation you look at the information, the source, the experience of the root of the source and form a judgement about what you see. I have formed it and my judgement is the guy doesnt know what he is talking about because he lacks experiential knowledge. If you dont like that well so what[/quote]

It's not a matter of liking it or not. You're entitled to your opinion. That's undisputable. Using your evaluation model, we may as well shut down this entire website as 95% of posters here don't have the 'experiential knowledge' you so desperately insist on as a non-negotiable. Had Synbad or anybody else been so critical of someone elses profession based on heresay or public perception, then we would all be well within our right to rebut his opinions. AFL football on the other hand is a very public profession. Whilst mere mortals like ourselves aren't privy to the inside information, we watch and discuss our team's performance every 7 days for 22 weeks. We've also done the same the year before and therefore, opinions we give stand up to scrutiny infinitely more than some bozo who is critical of teachers, police etc on the 3AW. I couldn't care less if a poster on this site was a checkout chick or the prime minister. If they invest much of their passion watching Carlton, reading, reviewing, analysing, synthesising, discussing and then forming an opinion about their perspective, then I'd say they have some experiential knowledge.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

With generalisations and assumptions like that, lets hope that you're not a teacher of English

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Nah, @#$%&! that.

Dannyboy clearly has a love of the English language which is inspiring. I cannot think of a quality more suited to teaching a subject.

But anyway...

Ratts can't coach.

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STURDYISM!!

But Knights can?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Oh I didn't actually mean that Kaptain, just trying to keep this thread on topic.

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STURDYISM!!

Yeah, I didn't mean that you were, I was just having a bit of fun.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

glad you got the point - I used the same logic as those arguing Ratts must go/can'tcoach/has not developed anyone/has no 'experiental learning - etc. Not a shred of logic, just generalisations and assumptions.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Its becoming very clear that Knights is not the man IMO...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Interesting that of all the coaches being held up as "much better" than Ratten have fallen by the wayside, or their team has fallen into a pathetic heap, yet Ratten's moving steadfastly forward....

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

One slight difference-we watch the product of Ratten's instruction every week. We hear his press conference. We read and analyse stats. We listen to 'experts' (who I don't need to be told are not always reliable, but they add to the information to be synthesised) and finally, we take a correct or incorrect stance on the topic. I'd say that the stance one takes has more credibility than someone who pots someone elses opinions based on their occupation (I was referring to bb BTW)

stance.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

As usual good points raised, amongst the pre-conceived notions people have (and determination to be right).

I am going to digress a little, so if you want to keep on topic, scroll down to the 4th paragraph.

Marving's comment about most here being from the 1990s generation, I am definitely one of those. and saw us win a flag in 1995 the first year I begun to go to every game. I think the general hatred for Essendon* on this forum is borne out of people from my generation who remember the 1993 Grand Final very vividly, and how smug the Dons in general were. This is why the 1999 Preliminary Final means so much, no one gave us a single chance that day - NO ONE.

We had got flogged by 76 points in our last encounter in Round 16 for memory, Essendon* hadn't lost since then, and we got smashed against Brisbane 2 weeks earlier, then due to a flawed system played the Eagles at the MCG and won. What happened that day I will never forget, the opening Manton goal, Whitnall and Hamill marking everything that came their way early, you could just tell we had Essendon* on the run, we knew it and they knew it. The thought of losing to Carlton for Essendon* in such circumstances was unbearable, and we loved the idea of it. I have never seen, before or since a Carlton crowd so pumped at half time of a game (when we were 4 goals up).

Then the inevitable fight back occured, but never got out of hand as many expected. Then Alessio got the goal in the last to put them 17 points up, most people thought that was about it. Then Kouta went berserk, suddenly 3 goals came in a rush and we were back in front! The ending of the game needs no re-going over, we all know about Fraser Brown, Justin Murphy with the ball held aloft at the end. We didnt win the GF, which for a team which only won 12 home and away games, would of been ridiculous, but if Murph and Brown didnt go down, around the same period we got within 13 points in the 3rd, you never know.

Ok Ratts - I think people here are much harder on our club than other clubs, which is natural, but you have to be logical. Melvey makes excuses for Essendon* all the time, but when the same things apply to us (injuries, being young etc) they don't seem to be valid. Carlton and Essendon* could be the St Kilda and Geelong from 5 years ago, arguing about who is better. At this stage it looks like Geelong and St Kilda could be 1-1 in 2 months time, maybe us and Essendon* will be too, maybe it will be 0-0.

The jury is out on Ratts, as I like many others struggle to see what game plan we use, apart from some very basic fundamentals (get it to Judd & Fev) but I still feel we have many on our list who are either not capable yet or not capable at all, and it wouldn't matter what role they had or brilliant motivator they had, they wouldn't be any good. We are coming off a low base when the culture of the club was bad, and there is still reminants of that. Ratts isn't my idea of a great coach just yet, I think a clearer judgement will be able to be made next season. If we still see the same haphazard crap we see at the moment, the knives will be sharpening.

Now that we've won 2 more games to date than the can-do-no wrong-with their-thrilling style -of play-Bombers are we better or worse?

Hey It thought The DUC locked this

whats going on

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Listening to Bumbers supporters whining about their coach and club on SEN....


Should put things a bit in perspective I hope.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Incorrect interpretation of an old rule.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Nah, were not going anywhere, everyone else is just falling apart, weve done nothing

Apologies for locking and then unlocking.

Although the 100 page rule applies within Stuff, threads will be locked after 100 pages to lighten the load on our server. Apart from the JR thread in the Players Forum and this one, we have never encountered this situation outside of Stuff.

Having said that, a new thread can still be opened on this particular subject.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.