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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:34 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I think a really big problem with this site is the 'head-in-the-sand-itis'
A lot of posters dont like dealing with some of the key issues, and rather choose to ignore them or discount them.
The facts are our first round pick in one of the last uncompromised drafts could very easily decide that the cut and thrust of AFL football is not for him...
If this is the case, it will be a balls up of mammoth proportions and I hope that somebody is held accountable for it.


Ok then, enlighten us. What are the " Key " issues.

Are you also implying that Yarran's uncle did not die. If a close relative of yours died would you want to go see your family. Or would you prefer people called you a liar, because really that is what you are implying here. Yarran will be back on Monday and if he doesn't return then fair enough I'll eat humble pie but at the moment you've got a mouthful.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:41 pm 
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I heard Yarran say in an interview with Rex Hunt after the swans game that his mum had moved down here with him. Swan said she works in the mines in WA and is going to Perth and Chris is joining her. Mine workers generally work 2 to 4 weeks on then have 2-4 weeks off, so it's conceivable she lives down here when not working and goes to WA when she works. I know a few people myself who do that.

Very true; forgot all about the nature of the shifts in some of those mining towns.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:47 pm 
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If i was Carlton i would give the kid the rest of the year off and tell him to be ready for pre season training in October

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:49 pm 
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Are you also implying that Yarran's uncle did not die. If a close relative of yours died would you want to go see your family. Or would you prefer people called you a liar, because really that is what you are implying here. Yarran will be back on Monday and if he doesn't return then fair enough I'll eat humble pie but at the moment you've got a mouthful.


You alright there mate?
Im not implying anything of the sort and thats exactly the response I knew people would come up with to paint me as the 'bad' guy.
My point is quite simple. Is Yaz's heart with the Carlton football club and in trying to push himself to become the very best footballer he can be??
On all available evidence this year, the answer is clearly in the negative. And the club better right the ship soon or some serious questions will need to be asked.
I know my position on this issue isnt the popular one, but that doesnt mean its not the right one.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:02 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
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Are you also implying that Yarran's uncle did not die. If a close relative of yours died would you want to go see your family. Or would you prefer people called you a liar, because really that is what you are implying here. Yarran will be back on Monday and if he doesn't return then fair enough I'll eat humble pie but at the moment you've got a mouthful.


You alright there mate?
Im not implying anything of the sort and thats exactly the response I knew people would come up with to paint me as the 'bad' guy.
My point is quite simple. Is Yaz's heart with the Carlton football club and in trying to push himself to become the very best footballer he can be??
On all available evidence this year, the answer is clearly in the negative. And the club better right the ship soon or some serious questions will need to be asked.
I know my position on this issue isnt the popular one, but that doesnt mean its not the right one.


What evidence... spell it out for me..... back up your statements.... give me some facts pls. Are you involved with the club an a daily basis and know more than there rest of us? I'd be guessing no.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:10 pm 
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It's absolutely rediculous that people expect this kid to dominate games and be a mature footballer in his first year.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:11 pm 
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OK, lets simplify this. Will the ''Go Home'' bug strike Chris Yarran ? Has it already struck ?
Personally , I don't know, but certainly hope it isn't the case.
Only time will tell.
But if he goes back to WA, then we move on . Hopefully recruiting people who want to play for Carlton.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:21 pm 
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It's absolutely rediculous that people expect this kid to dominate games and be a mature footballer in his first year.


The thread is about Yarran going back to WA again. Nothing about his football ability.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:26 pm 
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Condolances to Chris and his family.

It is a worry that this is the second time Chris has gone home this season due to family bereavement.

It would seem his family ties are very strong (perhaps exacerbated by his father's situation).

I'm somewhat concerned about his long-term committment.

Anyway, good luck Chris.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:44 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
It's absolutely rediculous that people expect this kid to dominate games and be a mature footballer in his first year.


No ones expecting that.

We expected a number 6 draft pick not to be out done a player picked in the rookie draft.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:02 pm 
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I can't remember where I read it, but don't Aboriginal communities have large clans where they may not be blood relations, but clan relations?

I only raise this as a point because if that's true is Yarran going to fly back for every funeral when an Uncle passes?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:04 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Blue Boys wrote:
It's absolutely rediculous that people expect this kid to dominate games and be a mature footballer in his first year.


No ones expecting that.

We expected a number 6 draft pick not to be out done a player picked in the rookie draft.


Not even that much, given some of the perspective on Yarran's fitness base over the last couple of seasons (and Offseasons) Cazzesman lent the board a couple of weeks ago.

Josh is right in one sense, though, and that is - the stakes with this pick are VERY high. That (hopefully) is our last high pick for several years.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:07 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
I can't remember where I read it, but don't Aboriginal communities have large clans where they may not be blood relations, but clan relations?

I only raise this as a point because if that's true is Yarran going to fly back for every funeral when an Uncle passes?

A friend teaches at an aboriginal school in Victoria.

When someone in their family dies, the parents take the children out of school and they all pack up to attend the funeral.

Relax.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:18 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
I can't remember where I read it, but don't Aboriginal communities have large clans where they may not be blood relations, but clan relations?

I only raise this as a point because if that's true is Yarran going to fly back for every funeral when an Uncle passes?

A friend teaches at an aboriginal school in Victoria.

When someone in their family dies, the parents take the children out of school and they all pack up to attend the funeral.

Relax.


I am relaxed.

If I was CFC I wouldn't be.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:19 pm 
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good to hear


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:19 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
We expected a number 6 draft pick not to be out done a player picked in the rookie draft.

By your logic, Melbourne made a mistake in picking Jack Watts and Neville Jetta ahead of Liam Jurrah...


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Kouta wrote:
Melvey wrote:
We expected a number 6 draft pick not to be out done a player picked in the rookie draft.

By your logic, Melbourne made a mistake in picking Jack Watts and Neville Jetta ahead of Liam Jurrah...


I think you'll find the Pies made a blunder with that one.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:33 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
I think you'll find the Pies made a blunder with that one.


Don't be silly. I'm pretty sure you've said the Pies don't make mistakes.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:38 pm 
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Edit: Sorry, used my cousins account for this. Will post using my own. Glad he put me onto this.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:40 pm 
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I know I'm new to this board, but I'd like to add my two cents.

I understand how everybody is all excited about having a competitive team for the first time in many moons, a team that we all expect to make the Finals this season. It's natural to get upset and disappointed with the level of play we've seen over the past month. However, truth be told sometimes you have to win ugly.

A team has its slumps. If this is ours for the season and all we've managed to do is win 4 of 5 surrounded by an awful loss to Essendon* and Collingwood then I can handle it. Hopefully the team has something left for August. One out of four and we're in the finals for the first time since 2001. Hard to believe? I'm excited.

TO get back on the topic, please give Chris Yarran until at least his third season before you make final judgment on these players. Of all of the players that I've witnessed in watching the AFL over the years I have seen far too many of these great young players flame out and falter after great starts to their career. On the flip side of that I have seen countless younger players take two, three or four seasons before they emerge as the player the scouting department believed that they would become.

For a player in Yarran's position, it is incredibly difficult to be expected to move over from Western Australia and in his first year (let alone first professional season) away from home be expected to step into a team on the rise and play to the level we hold hopes for. The first year is to acclimatise a player into becoming a part of the team, a professional player living away from home.

If he's home sick then it is to be expected. If he's gone home to take care of his mother on the passing of his uncle it is a believable story. Condolences to the family. Give the kid an opportunity to go home, be there for his family and to clear his head. The time away from Melbourne will do the kid the world of good. With the club supporting his time away from Melbourne, if he is worth his two salts, he's going to understand what type of loyalty the club has extended his way and it will be repaid in droves.

As far as his on field performance goes, we've seen some flashes of what is to come down the track. That is all I wanted to see out of him this season. He has lived up to it. We know what he needs to work on to become an elite caliber player and I'm sure if given the time and coaching he will fulfill his potential.

Give Yarran a fair go. Put yourselves in his shoes. He has been asked a lot of. Yes, he's getting paid for it, but it's a lot more difficult than you can imagine to live away from the only home you've known your entire life


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