So you want Judd sacked now, so you can get rid of Ratten?

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If it comes down to that, YES! only kidding

I sat with a neutral supporter yesterday...... His words were 'predictable' long kicks to contests, no run, no options and don't take risks.

I watched some of the boys carefully, there was a moment where Juddy had the ball and Walkers running at full tilt at Juddy calling for the ball and not running hard towards goal as a option when he was clear.

I think it was Armfield who got tackled from Stevens handball in the first quarter that resulted in a shot goal for the Kangas. Armfield was running side on to Stevo rather running past towards goal and thats why he got caught by Petrie.

SO many time when we cleared the ball from half back we would get to the wings and there would be about 6 players with in 20 meters of each other calling for the ball. SPREAD flower!!!!!!!!

What i saw at half time was a rather animated assistant coach in Mark Riley going bananas at the midfielders. The third quarter was more the way they should be playing. That came after a spray for being lazy, selfish footballers.

You cannot, after seeing that vision, say that the players were playing to their structures nor giving the effort required to provide options or to concentrate on their men when not in possession before then.

I really think the younger players are starting to tire, and that's when we need the more senior players such as Scotland and Stevens pulling them along. Stevo had a good game last night, can't say the same thing for Scotland.

But hey, we won against a bogy team that were desperate to send their captain off on a good, with nowhere near the normal influence Judd has on a game and Fev only kicking 3.

I reckon we'll go alright next week, massive challenge that will help to get the boys up - younger ones included. I'd give us a bigger chance at the Dome but there's enough motivation there to right some wrongs in our previous Friday night G' games. The weight of money won't be expecting us to win, for a change.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

The pattern seems to be when we have a negative, defensive mindset we struggle, look confused etc.... When that plan's chucked out the window, we have "our head" and allowed to attack, we look a different team capable of beating anyone. Look at the difference in the Swans game from one half to another. And that's not the only game. Not sure why we're defensive and reactive at the beginning of each game. Not sure, maybe the coach lacks the confidence to back himself at this stage of his career. He's shown he can make the moves and change things, just needs to back himself from the start, attack with a simple plan, and stop confusing the crap out of the players.

Back up your statement and detail 10 games that were won by coaching moves.

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Silvagni to FF
Fletcher to FF
Madden to FF
Salmon to FF
Hunter to FF

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I guess that means we're not far behind the Cats who rely on their best ten players to win them games.

Is it Ratten's fault that we don't have enough matchwinners?

Damn you Daniel Rich!

Carlton are the only AFL club who nees their bottom six and not their top tier to win games.

Walls said so.

If Ratten is a dud coach and we're in the eight, can you imagine how good we'd be if we had Clarkson, Thompson, Malthouse, Craig or Eade in charge?

I'd love to see what Knights would do at the Blues with his game plans.

Carlton has the quick legs to make it work.

Very true.
When you've got to go back 15 years to come up with 5, it proves my point beautifully.

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Good pint Jim. Ratts is a very re-active coach...this could be for a variety of reasons....i.e. lack of confidence in his ability to coach or his inability to coach at this level...I reckon Ratts is either trying too hard or playing it safe....i.e. multiple tags, defensive setups, taking an eternity to move the ball forward, playing the boundary line...the issue is he is hindering our development greatly by doing this.

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I heard on discussion on SEN today about the lack of movement from the coaches box.

Two moves they raised were Thompson pushing Mooney into the ruck last week - WIN

Ratten by default moving T-Bird forward - Two critical goals and creating space by taking his man away from Fev - WIN

I always rated Malcom Blight because he wasn't scared to make moves, 2 Premierships later he proved his genius.

I'm not saying it has to happen all of the time, but when things aren't working Ratts needs to try different things. 4 defenders are played each week, yet we very very rarely give any of them a run up forward. At least try it and we might possibly unearth another option up forward?

Having said that, Carrazzo to BP & Hartlett to the ruck are two moves that shouldn't have been made this season.

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20 ways to see the world,
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Won 10 last year too and this year looks like finals.

My conclusion....given where we are now just think if we had a coach, we'd be online for back to back flags .

I've had a tiny epiphany; the lack of focus displayed by our side is mirrored by this board.

We only know two states of being, being smug b******s or acting like a bunch of victims with chips on our shoulders. We don’t know how to deal with being mediocre, we tend to fall back on one of the other two modes by default.

I want to hear something productive besides the usual half-hearted clichés.

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Problem we get if we don't change things people complain we have no Plan B. Seems when we've changed things in the last 5 or so weeks when in trouble we've turned it around, irrespective of the opposition. Maybe the initial plans too complicated, hence confusing. It seems resorting to the "K.I.S.S." method (for want of a better way of putting it) we turn it around and quickly. Maybe best we coach to our strengths. I appreciate the flexibility but might be better starting the game that way.

I'm interested that no one seems to be able to recognise our game plan.
Could those posters expand on the details of St Kildas game plan....or Adelaides...or Geelongs?

What are you noticing different about our methodology to theirs?

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1. every club you mention has a core group of 10-15 players, with excess of well over 150 games. carlton does not
2.they make far better use of the ball, thus allowing their game plan to work. carlton at times does not.

when your effeciency is floating around the 80% mark, we look like world beaters, when its around 50% we loot like rubbish.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Well, let's hope Ross Lyon has the good grace to resign tommorrow.
Falling in by 1 point against lowly Sydney clearly demonstrates St Kildas lack of progress!

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Rubbish. Malthouse has his players playing the boundary for the last season. Doesnt look like it harmed them.

The players are slow to move the ball in the first half. They go in at half time and cop a bake. Ratts and assistants and the captain plead with them to take more of a risk and they come out and take the game on and play better.

Saying the coach is throwing the game plan out the window is stupid and fantasy stuff.

GO BLues !

So we consistently start games off in this way in spite of the coach and his instructions? Is that it?

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