Ok we get that you are able to use a search engine and attach pictures.

Now i see why you are happy with how this club is traveling (10 years behind)

Another fine mess you've gotten us into....Sticks

Sorry that's my total Laurel and Hardy quote knowledge. As old as you, not all of us are

You gotta know the shake, Cazzesman...

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Certainly am Ollie.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Took 5 days for it to pop in your head did it????

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actually Cazz I keep getting the image of Curly Joe going whoop whoop whoop while spinning around on the floor....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

NEWSFLASH....Carlton to hold a press conference tomorrow to announce a revolutionary model thath integrates off field and on field leadership. JUDD TO BE OUR CAPTAIN PRESIDENT. Now that'll trump Ed

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I like your style 99prelim!

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Heartbeat is optional

I like your style 99prelim!

you're in the minority heatley stand

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Some of your finest there.

Get Mrs Cazz to print it out and stick it up on the fridge next to the finger painting you did of her.

Well I'd been on the roundabout before and I was over it. Like all roundabouts it just goes in circles, you get dizzy after awhile and then you throw up.


Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Yeah right we posters are right up to the minute with the trends of the game, but Parko's thinking on game plans hasn't changed one iota since the last day he coached 10 years ago ...
How do we know?
Our posters tell us so

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Cazz is that you describing what we do every week???

The gameplan???

I feel exactly the same way as you... believe me...

If i have to watch another chicp chip to nowwhere plan... another bomb inside 50... another shithouse turnover kickout after a point... another player ripping us a new one when hes just shit.. im going to really chuck up big time...another game were locking down everybody but still leaving a couple free to tear us a new one....

Agreed brother!!!

Were sick of the same ol same ols arent we???

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Jeez I go away for a couple of days and look what happens

For me this thread has not been about us being a young team or, to an extent, where we finish on the ladder this year. And I'm not sure that should be the ultimate measure of a coach at this stage of a team's development. For Geelong or St Kilda, different story.

There are situations occurring on the field from a structural/set up point of view (as opposed to skill/execution) which are plain wrong and they are there for anyone to see.

They are also very basic, fundamental things which simply shouldn't be happening. In my opinion, a top coach surrounded by excellent assistants would not allow them to happen at all. Certianly, they should not happen repeatedly.

Further, if we consider how close some of our losses have been, just imagine the potential impact of us HAVING our house in order from a strategy/set-up angle on our W/L record.

So to use those losses as a supporting argument that we're on track in coaching sense, is false in my view.

I simply can't see the W/L record argument holding a lot of weight, particularly in this season where nearly half the comp is hovering at some point between trying kids and blatantly tossing matches 2/3 of the way through - particularly when our draw avoids the top three teams twice and the probably the fourth best (Hawthorn). It is absolutely not about where we have been - it's about where we are now, and where our ceiling is with what we have.

Anyway, I've said more than enough in this thread.

Good post IMO.

It's all about taking your chances when they present themselves and our total disorganisation on match days at least have prevented us from grasping a big opportunity this season. Yes Geelong and Stkilda seem streaks ahead but we may have been streaks ahead too had we have been much more organised in the box.

There is two ways to look at our situation. One you can say well we may make the eight so whoppeedoo we have come a long way or two you can see the blatant deficiencies for what they are and think to yourself what a waste...we may have missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

I hate to compare us to other clubs but I can't help think about the Hawthorn experience last year...the Hawks may not get another go for many a year (or they may win another next season) I'm not sure....but because they were organised they gave themselves the best shot at a flag when they were least expected to win it.

I cringed when we appointed Ratts because of the manner in which it was done...then I was willing to see how he would go....and then of course the obvious become crystal clear....and I just don't want to see us miss the boat because of our inability to become a professional football club.

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@#$%&! quick boat. Although of course Hawthorn took a bit longer than 2 years to get it right. And is St Kilda in Ross L year 3? But hey, for us 2 years is ground zero.

There is a fundamental flaw in an argument that says 'this year we cannot take into account the measures we use every other year because it does not suit our purpose to do so'.

In every other year win/loss is held as an indicator of how a team went. In every other year playing finals is seen as an indicator of how a team went. In every other year percentage is seen as an indicator of how a team went.

but not this year. We'll scrap them this year cos this year we cannot have improved because it ruins the idea that Ratts is ruining our chances.

Is Ratts doing well. I worry I admit it. I worry a lot; and some times at Games, well lets just say coaches need those security guards don't they.

The truth is though I am not sure if it is all Ratts fault, if this is transitional moving from the years/drills/style under Pagan to the new style and next year we will see another step forward (that's if we can take the normal indicators as okay next year of course) or whether we will hover/struggle to make the eight next year and Ratts will come under increasing/strident pressure.

I want to see Carlton dominate games but I must say I really didn't think that would happen this year, this year I hoped we would make the eight. Could we have done better? Yes. Should we have? - not so sure on that.

How easy is it to change coaches? How many coaches can change a crap perennial (worst 7 years ever) bottom of the rung side into a premiership contender in 2 years?

My guess it will take 5 years - not 2 years and wham everything is fixed, but 5 years with a lot of ups and downs. At this point I cannot be certain the ups and downs are Ratts fault or evidence of growth or a mixture (as I suspect) of both - but using normal, every other year indicators, it would seem we have developed as a team.

1 thing I am certain of - the method of Ratts appointment in no way indicates if he can/cannot coach. The method is to try and maximize getting the best/strongest/etc coach, but not using the best method does not mean the best/etc coach cannot (or has not) be found.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

This changes the channel.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Even by your lofty standards this post is more than a little strange.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Do you have one in your repertoire which changes the coach?