Maybe that is it. Just enough to fit on a napkin.

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My point is that modern day coaching is about planning and preparing, how and what we do under certain circumstances throughout the game etc. is dealt with their understanding and ability to implement a set game plan. Collingwood (Mick Malthouse) is the set example. How Long does it take, just as Mick, before we see a more consistant result!!

A team which is empowered to make onfield decisions, are indeed a powerful unit (Geelong, Brisbane). It doesn't just happen, it rely's on experience and a good knowledge of the game plan.

We have in the box, a number of good thinkers, who are just as likely to pass on their knowledge as any other past player.

What we don't know, is how well they are passing this information!!! And if indeed the players are obsorbing it.

I have seen a distinct difference over the past year. Players coming in from the bullants are not falling off as they once did. This is a clear example of how we have improved our platform performance. The following years will continue this process and as we grow in experience the planning and preparation will really take hold.

Enjoy the ride.

Go Blues!!!!

Ive gone through your posts .... and youre very apologist is the word that comes to mind....



Dont you think with all those great thinkers in the box one would come up with a kick out strategy???

For starters...

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Ive got a strategy!

Kick it in quicker rather than wait for everyone to be manned up!

Need more urgency to move in our backline!

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Couldn;t agree more BBB...we are horrendously slow at bringing the ball out. how often did Collingwood on Friday play on immediately and get the ball out to the members wing. Firthermore, we allowed them to do it basically all night. Just can't afford to allow a team to cover half the ground with limited pressure

Ratten will never fire Lappin
Kernahan will never fire Ratten
The President will never fire Kernahan because there is no President
And Kernahan will never appoint a President
Because all his mates (like Kouta) say he doesn't need to.

So basically we have a bunch of mates who refuse to let go of their glory playing days, keep each other safe in their jobs, and won't admit that at least 2 of them (Kernahan and Lappin) need to go.
And Ratten plays along because if they both went, then he might actually be accountable and not on a free ride for the next 2 years.

Do you think they actually care about the members or supporters? They are shortsighted and selfish.
As long as their mates like Kouta are standing up for them, then there will be no change.

This is what our off-field has become. A rabble.
We will be the new Bichmond.

If any of the players have been convinced of this like I have, then I am sure their hope and morale for the future must be going down the toilet fast.

I don't buy that they are selfish... short-sighted yes. ignorant... definitely. Their intentions are good and I am sure they really believe that they are doing the right thing. Unfortunately, their naivity and ignorance may just keep this club in the doldrums a lot longer than needs be.

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I thought the subject up for discussion was the need for laidley, given the reports that he was a very good match day coach.

I don't apologise for any person's poor performance, but I view it from a slightly different angle, and see the importance in preparing and empowering players.

Who makes the call if one person can delivery that message better than another!!!

All I said was that their was enough experience and footy smarts in the coaches box to implemet these strategies. It doesn't just happened it's a constant work in progress. Sure as the plan continues to role out we may find some key personnel simple not up to the task, and those people will be asked to move on. What I am saying is that "IT TAKES TIME".

Again I will use Malthouse as an example, he has been at Collingwood for around 10years, and has developed and redeveloped strategies to best place collingwood year afer year. And as players retire, the common comment made is how prepared and meticulous he is. I recall many times, post a collingwoods loss, how Malthouse made very few changes and was heavily criticised. But on the flip side, they have become a very consistant and in most cases a difficult team to beat. They seldomley display poor performances to the level we have experienced, regardless of who was playing.

It is no surprise that Malthouse is still very important for Collingwood, and very sought after by the tigers.

Match day coaching is minimal, compared to the years Sheedy would make 22 changes in a game, your preparation and player knowledge is the new chapter in the coaches guide.

As a disclaimer, I don't rate Malthouse very highly, but do believe he has a strategy and it has only proven to be consistent, not successful.

But you have more than apologised ... ive done a search on your posts.
Its very Goebelsesque... and i dont mean that in a nasty way....

But ive never read so much spin and wallpapering of a very worrying situation...

You could wallpaper the Colloseum with what you have posted.

Oh and if you think Malthouse hasnt been succesful... you must believe Collingwood have had ripper lists...
I think hes been succesful because he has developed players that were not highly regarded into players that understand their role... and he has managed to take average lists and extract the most out of them....

But then again you believe Ratts is doing a great job....a man who has no strategy... you disagree and believe he has...
.. and whos chargers are going backwards or treading water... young and old...apart from one or two

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Agreed totally...
I feel this 'jobs for the boys' rubbish has/will set the development of the young players and the club back..

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There is a lot of talk, not discussion, about the Senior and his Assistant Coaches and why one more Assistant Coach (who used to be a Senior Coach in his own right) would not be a good fit in the Carlton Coaches Box.

I understand there is already an Assistant Coach who used to be a Senior Coach already in the Coaches Box - the ex Melbourne Coach. So why Ratten would be unable to deal with a second experienced Coach who accepts his role as an Assistant is yet to be explained.

As supporters we believe there is pool of talent in the playing group that could be better utilised by having clear strategies or game plans to be executed in game situations. This is exactly what supporters are meant to do and believe.

Ther key areas of weakness in the game plan (in no order) as I see it are:

(a) moving the ball to our forward line when a Point/Behimnd is scored - we have control of the ball but seem unable to move it to the advantage of the team.
Perhaps fast movement, perhaps players run to receive, perhaps we develop hand ball skills to control the ball (as Gellong does), perhaps ALL of the above so we can use these skills to not be too predictable.

(b) move the ball past the Centreline when we bring it into the forward area when Fev has two or three opponents. If there are 18 players allowed per team on the ground at one time, if Fev has 2 or 3, there must be some without an opponent.
How about the player without a direct opponent running forward to mark the ball and kick at the goal. It should not be too difficult to work out who this player/s is/are - they do NOT have an opponent.

(c) how to respond when the forward 50 is flooded as it was by Collingwood in the 2nd quarter when all 36 players were forward of the Centreline.
Kick the ball out beyond the forward 50 area so a mark can be taken, then pass it in to some one who can kick the ball over 50 metres. This is not an impossible task but it seemed to be the case last Friday. Other teams are able to execute this, so it is a skill that is transferable.

Perhaps we need a strategy coach to get the players to understand what to do when these situations arise but it is probably a bit late to expect the coaches to do it for the playing group in game time. The coaches do not get to kick the ball in game time.

The players need to execute their skills in all conditions. That they can not do this in all situations tells us someting. Their skills are weak and inconsistently on show and not up to the mark when the playing group is under sustained pressure.

This is what the coaching staff should have as their focus.

Get the players to be able to deliver in all situations - then the pressure of an intense game will not stifle plan A (and shut down scoring) but allow the game plan to develop into plans B and C and maybe even D.

May be this is strategy related and maybe it is intense training - I suspect that more training is what is required.

Were all talking about some kind of mentor / advisor for Ratts... because lets face it Ratts is struggling big time.

Which is not where we wanted to be......


... and yes i know there are one or two people on the site that believe or pretend... things are all hunky dory....

Which isnt true....

The concerns for Ratts are popping up all over the place.... not just here....

My concern is and always was not so much Ratts... so we piss a half a million against the wall if we have to and give him the bullet...hopefully learn something and education sometimes costs money.... my concern is always the bigger picture..

are we a cutting edge club?
are we striving to be great or are we just doing things according to how we have always been doing things.. which is out of date...

we need to be making every post a winner...

... and that starts at the very top... and continues throughout the club.
we need the right people .. and the right techniques/ mechanisms and ideas ...

... we cant afford average people... average ideas.. and average actions.

it filters its way onto the field where it counts

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We've got iphones now so everything going to be ok

At the end of the day, Laidley is a knob, and a pretty big one at that.

Yeah thats it. Thats why he no good for Carlton. Oh and he probably doesn't know how to use an iphone

Yeah. That why he no good. He no good he is. That why he not coach.

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Sorry for not replying sooner, been a little busy!!

I'm not much of a decorator, when it comes to wall papering, but I do believe you always need to prepare before you paint!! Ironically its a very good analogy to draw between preparing before painting and developing a football team before success.

I raised the example of Mick Malthouse as a coach who has developed a team ethos of consistency, over a long period without achieving the ultimate success, a premiership. That is why I do not rate Mick Malthouse as high as others. Lets not forget, he has had the opportunity to rebuild that side twice over, since his arrival.

But where he is successful, is in the planning and developing of specific player roles which are taylored to suit his overall game plan. His very strength is his weakness. Very few players who do not adapt into their set roles are looked at for others. It creates consistency as each player understands their role, and how their direct performace impacts on the teams achievements. It eliminates dependencies on indiviadual players, and makes it very transparent as to who needs further developing or indeed needs to find a new footy club!!

To my earlier comment regarding preparation for a successfull team, it just doesn't happen. It takes time to create an atmosphere of confidence and belief that each player who enters the club takes onboard and accepts their responsibility in delivering that belief.

The in roads in the area of player development, are huge when we view what we had only a year ago!!! Lets not forget teams such Collingwood, Adelaide, Westcoast have had these programs in place for years. And they are now slowly benefitting from them.

Don't read me incorrectly, I was as dissappointed and annoyed at the loss on Friday as the next blue member!! And have many questions on Ratts and Co. particular with the defensive side of our game!!! But I prefer to add comments with a little thought and try to read as best I can our teams overall performance with the knowledge that we are coming from a long way back. We had a very low player base from which we had to build from.

Ratten was appointed by the people who administer our club. Regardless of what many people believe, he was endorsed by many, both outside and within. He will make mistakes, and frustrate you and I for sometime yet, but thats what you get with most inexperienced coaches!! Once he achieves the stability of experience he is not beyound critisim nor removal, if he fails to deliver.

If you view this as spin, then it must be!!

As they say, opinions are like noses, everbody has one!!

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this line inspired this week's ghost (Custer's Last Stand). Ta for the work verbs!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Me - big boss; make-um game plan with help from earth spirit.

Bit racist?

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