spot on.

the only thing i would add to it, is due to the age of our list, it is somewhat understandable that it happens from time to time, not acceptable mind you, it shouldnt happen, and it should happen less and less (which it has been) there has only been three games this year we havent really given our chance a win, something that could not be said as early as last season, but outside of that, rather than blame the coach, or fevola as seems to be the want of the masses, who im sure are too stupid to understand the situation, a performance like that lies squarely at the feet of the players IMO.

you can have all the best game plans in the world, all the best players in the world, but when your decision making is rubbish and effective disposal is down to just a touch above 50% (which means every second possesion is a tunr over) you give yourself no chance to win. a coach in the box has zero control of effective possesion.

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all the coaches were reffering to have years of experience in the number 2 role..........

youve missed it....

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good question

and Josh - why SOON!!!!!! why the panic!!!! There is no window that shuts, its a media driven piece of drivel. Panic buttons and Chinese whispers....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

actually despite Ratts coaching mistakes on the weekend (my opinion) and the atrocious kicking (players mistakes and setup problems) the thing that mnost shit me and I am not sure of this is a coach problem or a cultural problem that ratts is trying to address

but @#$%&! our midfield can be unaccountable!

and how many wins have the bombers won out of their last 5 you know the same last 5 that we seem to be struggling through...and could it be because its a @#$%&! long season and the kids are young?

dufus...Maxy I've never heard you be so polite - but then no one wants to be banned

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Agree entirely.

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Plus 1

Let me get this straight
Scenario 1: carlton wins 11 games, percentage say 105 and sneak into the 8
Scenario 2: carlton wins 11 games, percentage 103 and just miss out on the 8

Because of scenario 1, Ratten's had a successful year and has your full support. Because of scenario 2, Ratten has not delivered on his goal and should be questioned. Enough said. With this sort of logic, the number of pages on this thread should reach avogadro's constant by years end

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Unless one of the teams below us beats someone by 200+ points, 103% will easily be enough to play finals with 11 wins.

win 11 games no gameplan.. caant kick out.. cant kick.. cant find clean entries into forward 50... sneak into 8... pigs in shit...

its abit like being dux of your year 6 class..... but youre 18.....parents buy you a watch... take you out to celebrate.. get your photo taken and put on the mantle holding the ceritificate....the family has never had a brainy one in the family before...

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at least this thread is making me laugh now

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

To say we will have snuck into the eight on 11 wins is the language of fools considering we've been in the eight all year bar one.

It's the loony talk of morons with no logic and lots of empty words.

yeah but we cant kick we cant kick out.. we dont have a gameplan... cant find clean entries and options inside 50 .......

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And we've been in the eight all year. If that's "sneaking in" then I'm the Pope's brother.

perhaps its hard to comprehend.

making the eight is all that matters, playing finals for the first time in 8 years is all that matters.

our last four years have consisted of finishing 16th, 16h, 15th and 11th

and blokes are talking about how and why you get into the 8?

we get into the eight, from where we have come from in, in rattens 2nd year as coach, and you dont think that is an improvment.

the thing is, its all about improvement.

scraping into the eight, is good enough this year, next year we improve further, and if ratten is their as coach and we are still improving i dont understand what the problem is.

should we be higher, probably, having dropped 4 games by less than 2 goals we could very easily be sitting in 3rd spot with 13 wins

but would we even be having this debate in this thread if we are sitting third?

as you refered to a percentage of 105 or 103, its just as easy to say, if fev kicks the goal against the hawks, houla kicks the goal against the saints, those two rubbish free kicks against the bombers arent paid and we just convert two scoring shots against freo ... and suddenly we have a very different season dont we.

just as you are quick to berate ratten, becuase we only have 9 ins, realised it could very easily have been alot different this year.

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Let me get this straight
Scenario 1: carlton wins 11 games, percentage say 105 and sneak into the 8
Scenario 2: carlton wins 11 games, percentage 103 and just miss out on the 8

Because of scenario 1, Ratten's had a successful year and has your full support. Because of scenario 2, Ratten has not delivered on his goal and should be questioned. Enough said[/quote]
win 11 games no gameplan.. caant kick out.. cant kick.. cant find clean entries into forward 50... sneak into 8... pigs in shit...

its abit like being dux of your year 6 class..... but youre 18.....parents buy you a watch... take you out to celebrate.. get your photo taken and put on the mantle holding the ceritificate....the family has never had a brainy one in the family before...[/quote]

But remember Synbad, this family came from a long way back. i mean it was only one generation beforehand that the bloodlines were peasants back in the old country having done 3 years of primary school. we can't expect quick fixes. Maybe the grandchildren of our grade 6 dux might even end up at TAFE (by that stage, they'll get a house as a gift). we have to be patient

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As far back as, oh I don't know, the 1999 preliminary final?

That was then, this is now. Stop living in the past. It's 2009, not 1999.

Pretty sure more people reminisce 1999 prelim than last sat.... things have changed in a decade havent they???
we were giants then... we are kind of coming now... but not just yet... wait.... give us a year.. we are coming from a long way back.. and our coach is learning...

Some of us are just highlighting the reality......you cant change the reality.. for it is real....

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Thanks Mr Quagmire.

verbs. I thought all the inane irrelevant drivel that you try and weave into the threads was some reflection of an intelligent, though abstract agitator. what I've since learned is that your'e quite obtuse and need to have things spelt out for you. Forget about whether someone beats someone else by 400+ points to get in the 8, and replace the sentence, "sneak into the 8" with "hang on in the 8". Go back to my original post and try and get a feel for what I said. It still stands (the argument that is.......it doesn't physically stand....like upright)

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