What a load of CRAP - SNAP!

The best football manager.......... the football manager from Freo successful Freo dockers........ sheesh!

Im pretty sure Icke was before Pratts time.

FWIW Neil Balme and Graham Allan are the two of the best.

As someone who is not an insider, especially when it comes to the club politics, why doesn't Swan as the CEO have the authority he requires?

If he's restricted in his role, I'd imagine he'll be soon gone considering his regard in the industry...

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Balme is a @#$%&! sniping cauliflower. Ask Geoff Southby. Would'nt want the cauliflower anywhere near Visy Park

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

See that exact response is the reason why this club is in this mess.

Mess?

How do we field a team with the rabble-like quality going on behind closed doors?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Look, lets make this clear.
There is no whiteanting of the footy club.
Were concerned Carlton people if we choose to post our concerns its a healthy thing.
Should be happy to have people care enough about the goings on of the club rather than having a bunch of supporters swallow every little thing thrown out there.

To me this is what democracy is all about.


It isnt like there is a mountain made of a mollhill.

Our problems are very visible and our concerns about the goings ons and processes are valid.

I understand there are people who feel that to tow the line is the loyal thing to do.

For me, its the wrong thing to do until proven wrong.

There is nothing about the coaching that has proven me and others wrong.

I have concerns about Sticks as president.
I have concerns about the block of ex players and mates creating a power base that might be out of touch.

Were in the business of reconstructing the footy club.
We cant be complacent till it is.
We must be vigilant.

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you're obviously a self-appointed arbiter of all things AFL admin, so i wont dare argue with you ... if you've decreed those two as the best then so be it ...

BUT, icke was appointed during pratt's presidency. icke's appointment came on the back of a recruitment firm's independent recommendation to the board. can't recall the name of the firm but they are quite well known in footy circles ...

not sure why a poster's response is a reason for the "mess" but hey you're the expert ...

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

Why wasn't there a independent recommendation when it came to selected our coach. If the people running the club are so sure of them selves they'd need not appoint a firm to hire Icke.

Like I said Pratt didn't follow his own advice.

see, that's why you're a genius, or a pest / troll, depending on people's perspective ...

you make an emotive assumption, have it disclosed as such, then turn it all on it's head and take it off on some contrived wonderful tangent ... if you re-read my post i don't fink i said a word re coach appointment ... but carry on mate ...

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

Which is it, genius, pest or troll?

I'm sure that prick Balme would be made very welcome at Carlton maybe he could bring in Laurie Fowler as his assistant

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Melvey has a point - something that happened 35 years ago good on you for maintaining the rage, and the fans have the luxury of putting sentiment above professionalism, but come on, if the club's current leaders had the same view, we are flowered.

Balme was a thug. Now he's a fine footy manager and butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.

For Synbads sake i hope he's right. Some cringeworthy stuff being written in this thread. Over and over again. I reckon there'd be maybe 5-10 pages of original stuff in this thread and the rest is like deja vu.

For everyone just having a peak at this thread don't waste your time starting at page 1, from about page 75 will cover it for you.

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Balme is a !@#$%& sniping flower. Ask Geoff Southby. Would'nt want the flower anywhere near Visy Park [/quote]

See that exact response is the reason why this club is in this mess.[/quote]

Melvey has a point - something that happened 35 years ago good on you for maintaining the rage, and the fans have the luxury of putting sentiment above professionalism, but come on, if the club's current leaders had the same view, we are flowered.

Balme was a thug. Now he's a fine footy manager and butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.[/quote]

Was a great Coach at Melbourne and got the arse at Collingwood.

I was there they the day the cowardly prick hit Southby.
I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire

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well, since you asked ... i reckon you're a dufus ... but that's just me ...

from your first post i had a sneaking suspicion you may be ADP in some sort of clever-clever nom-de-plum

but then i thought ADP wouldn't have the stamina ... he was too arrogant to let it go this long ...

i've come to the conclusion that you're pest ... you're embittered cos you never saw the carlton that i saw, dannyboy saw etc etc ... and you're lashing out ...

i'm disappointed too re the blues ... i saw the writing on the wall back in 1994 ... had a gut feel that things were rotten in the state of princes park ... but i went overseas in 1996 and became removed from things ... when i returned the chooks had well and truly come home to roost ... and it was at that moment that i realised the club needed my support more than ever ...

i'm not happy, but this is my club and i love it to death ... given me 1 million more glorious memories than those pies wanker bottom feeders ... but i digress ...

it's a fact that we are not he same club as the one i grew up with ... i'm frustrated for sure ... i like to imagine that the george harris led carlton that i grew up with would not tolerate certain (perceived) things that are happening at the club right now ... but i'm an outsider, i don't know things for a fact, i have a perception that may not have any basis in reality ... i'm modest enough to admit that my gut feel may be a million miles off ... that's why i access this site daily ... get my fix of CFC ... only thing is there's so much noise on the airwaves that some of the posters who write the sort of stuff a mofo like me likes to read are staying away ... elwood blues for instance hardly posts here and i love his stuff (in spite of his man-crush for goddard ... )

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

Excellent post i agree 100%

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When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way!

I like dufus.

The problem with this club is everyone is always looking for an out, looking for a scapegoat. Steven Icke wasn't the best!! Ratten's no good, we need Lyon! why have we got Darren Harris when we should have Alan Richardson!

I've seen Carlton take StKilda closer to defeat than any other team and I've also seen them get toppled by Freo. I expect a young team to have some inconsistency in it's performance, but what has stood out has been a reluctance to do the hard things as individuals, a reluctance to play a team game when it doesn't suit them. These guys don't need more scapegoats or given excuses why they're getting beaten by Collingwood, they need to accept that at this level you can't win if you're half arsed. They need to stop acting like princesses and take responsibility for their own performances.

haha - i knew you blokes wouldnt respond.

its cool though

for what its worth, i dont overly disagree with what most of you are saying, i just think its heavily unrealistic to think we are going to be world beaters this year, and that ratten is going to be an outstanding coach in his second year.

all the coaches you keep referring to have years of exerpeience in the no1 role.

if we dont make finals at years end, then i to will question ratten, but until then, he, and the team have my full support

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