Who cares. The fact is we are shit. i don't need them to tell me that!!!!!!

This post from the Doc in another thread pretty much sums it up for me

"Yep - I left early and I almost never do that.. disgraceful, insipid performance from the whole team - coaches included. Not only did the players lack intensity, they broke team rules and played unaccountable football. Would have thought playing a game for the Richard Pratt Cup that would further enhance our finals chances would mean more. Too many passengers...too many getting lost...too many making basic mistakes...and obviously there's something wrong somewhere - either the message isn't getting through - or the message isn't very good.

I'm normally 'Glass Half Full' too - - but they lost me tonight...can't defend that crap. The better drilled team won."

Two epic fails on the big stage with plenty at stake.....something is seriously wrong and needs to be acted upon, now.

The fact is we were shit last night. Let's look at that, and work out why instead of pointing at other people's opinions.

Otherwise, what the hell are we doing on a discussion forum?? Don't shift the argument.

Not that long ago.....Bomber Thompson was facing the sack.....as was Clarkson....they've both since won Flags.

I'm hoping for third time lucky.....Ratts may yet surprise us................................................hope so.

Not that long ago.....Bomber Thompson was facing the sack.....as was Clarkson....they've both since won Flags.

I'm hoping for third time lucky.....Ratts may yet surprise us................................................hope so.

Didn't i give you reasons why.

We've been ordinary most of the year. Take away Chris Judd and we'd most definitely be out of finals contention and thats not good enough.

Imagine if Judd had chosen the Pies as his preferred club of choice that probably be premiership favorites. Essendon* could be top 4 with Juddy in there midfield.

Brett Ratten must thank good for Chris Judd

And you honestly think that's the primary issue?

Explain to me why you think the team cannot perform without Judd. I think we overuse him to our detriment. I think we regularly see some of the lesser lights handball to him because they think he will turn water into wine and do better with three blokes bearing down on him than they will in space.

How many times has his efforts got us over the line? More than Brett Rattens effort from the coaches box i tell ya.

.......... TRUST ME!

Ahhhh ive worked it out.. youre mrs ratten right???

you earliuer said you dont mind people having a go at rarts coaching mrs ratten.. as long as its within reason or something?

Well mrs ratten...youve had your fun lately...having a go at us are you mrs ratten???... protecting the hubby are you????.... ..but here are my reasons again...

my reasons..
1)we know how hard it is this coaching caper to find one that can coach.. % are pretty low to have a good one..
2)hasnt coached anywhere
3)had the job handed to him on a plate by mates.
4)side undrilled after 2 years,.,
5) cant kick.... players have genuine skill flaws .. even judd and gibbs..
6) not enough kids have improved - its just been organic improvement... our lesser players struggle even our good ones struggle.
7) confusion on the part
too static
9) mrs ratten.... im getting onto nine... how many bad starts have we had... suggests whatever he says to them before they go out onto the park is having a nagative effect... (probably cos his tactics and mindset is one of negativity) mrs ratten....and the tactics and preparation which has been laid in place during the week.. mrs.. ratten... are usually that negative and flawed ...

dadadadada said.. it .. we went in too top heavy FOR STARTERS against collingwood..)... anyway our preparation often leaves us behind the eight ball.

10) Collingwood played with more FIRST YEAR players who played a solid role....in their more disciplined.. more drilled win...

Im assuming you are mrs ratten..... or a cousin???

and if you think im having a go.. you should read what you write up...

Now that was TEN REASONS WHY I THINK HE IS THE WRONG COACH... and until this club admits it was a horrendous mistake appointing Ratten as coach and moves to change things we will be hitting a glass ceiling...

... and no matter how many number 1 picks we have or Champion footballers... (he cant get the best out of anyone mind you)..., we will be banging our heads against the glass ceiling

Now what i want from you.... are three reasons as to WHY RATTEN IS THE RIGHT MAN....

Just THREE...

the floor is yours.... and whoever wants to take a crack...

Not ... so so wasnt liked and look at him now argument....

BUT WHY RATTS IS THE RIGHT MAN on what he HAS SHOWN SO FAR!!!

Ok????

"The old clutching at straws trick"...

That 3 - 2 Ratts way over Malthouse. One of malhouses was a gift in 2007 also.

So if we lose we are out coached and if we win Ratts out coached the opposition.

Last week he out coached Roos. A couple before that he outcoached Worsfold and Harvey ( who was a highly rated assistant coach with great credentials). A few months back he outcoached Eade, matched it with Lyon. This all too confusing.

I think a few of you are slightly overrating our list.

Tonight was a bad night for all involved with Carlton. Lets dust ourselves off and give it another crack next week. Players, coaches and supporters alike. The finals are still a chance and if we get in them then its been a great turn around for the club.

There is nothing wrong with Rattens plan playing the zone defence and using the switch coming out of defence is basically what all clubs are doing
Our problem has been the execution of the plan
you can't play this type of footy if your not prepared to run and you can't play this type of footy if your skills are not up to scratch
If Ratten has done anything wrong it was to persist with a game style that his players are not capable of doing
Craig realized his game plan wasn't working and changed it earlier in the year Ratts should have done the same
Pagan persisted to long with a plan not suited to his cattle
Ratten cannot keep playing this style of game with a team that has 52% kicking efficiency