FEVOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way... at least we played without him today......

One trick pony coaches will contrinue to cling onto a gameplan that revolves around 2 blokes.

Beat them both and you beat us more often than not ....

But there are 22 players out there....alot dont have any real roles when you watch them...unless thyre playing ruck .. key position or a tag...[/quote]

From what I can see the roles can be broken up into these categories...1)Tagger 2) Stopper 3) Minder. Fev and Judd excluded of course...now when of course we come up against a side that plays with a minute amount of consistency then these roles render us useless and then the roles need to be re addressed rendering the players then clueless because by that time they can't work out what the hell is going on out there...

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From what I can see the roles can be broken up into these categories...1)Tagger 2) Stopper 3) Minder. Fev and Judd excluded of course...now when of course we come up against a side that plays with a minute amount of consistency then these roles render us useless and then the roles need to be re addressed rendering the players then clueless because by that time they can't work out what the hell is going on out there... [/quote]


Your quoting tactic is more confusing than Ratts' coaching tactics....

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my favourite part of the night was seeing Hartlett play in the ruck. Ratts can see the hidden talents of Hartletts ruckwork that us mere mortals cant, such as standing away from the throw-up by 7m and then whinging to the ump that you got sheperded from the contest after Cloke kicks the goal.

we're on our way to a premiership lads

some of yo blokes must of had smiles on your faces heading home tonight after that performance

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"The old clutching at straws trick"...

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As if you are clutching at straws.

A very basic observation.

only if youve been told the side is coached poorly... but then you went along to watch that... and had to come up with a deflection quick smart.....blame the supporters....

but youre saying we were excellently coached arent you??

but thats ok.......youre eentitled to your golden observation.....

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so guys, which inside 50 tactic did you like better from Ratten this week?

a) kick it long to fev

or, and i must stress this next one is my personal fav, hopefully i wont be showing too much bias...

b) kick it long to fev

I'd tell you guys to get back on topic and stop the sniping and personal attacks if they weren't more interesting than the topic.

Seriously, if you think we lost tonight because of the coaching you have no idea.

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I thought the kick it long to Fev with 3-4 defenders hanging off him worked a treat ... but I also like the give it to Fev pisspoorly when on the lead as well.

But what I really liked was the give it to the opposition as much as you can from kickout tactic ... I thought that was perfectly executed by the players!

Haha.

Fev being on the receiving end of a long kick against 2-3 defenders would have to feature also.

"yeah lets see if we get it in there and hope krueze or fev can take a big grab" - Lappin at Halftime

was my favourite of the night

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What's Lappin doing there anyway?? When is this dumb club going to realise that it doesn't hurt to actually find coaching staff that have a plan and not just give ex-blues players (especially ones that have a history) an assitant role??!!!

I know as supporters on this site that this thread has created divided opinions...but even though we are 9 and 8 I cannot be satisfied with this stat any longer as to an indication of improvement. We just do not seem to be improving in the way we play as a team. We lack a consistent clear system out there. I do not know what the players are being instructed to do...but is it fair to assume it aint working? I reckon it is.

So we seem to be ok when not much is riding on a game...so what....is that what we are seeking to achieve? I think not. Given our list...and looking at the filths there does not seem to be much difference on paper...in fact we looked stronger even taking into account a few passengers (i.e. Bentley Johnson etc...) yet we get thumped.

Yes we beat them the first time around but if we are to be honest with ourselves they did field a very weak team that day and much much more was riding on tonights game...So why do we perform so poorly in big occasion games? Is it nerves on the part of the players...or does Ratts lose his way when the heat is on...does he think he has to come up with something so special that he loses the plot?

He just doesnt look like a guy who knows what he is doing...which seems to be transferred out onto the ground.

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It's all a bit muddled at the moment....gameplan that is. The only time we look good is if we are being totally offensive but that mustn't be the desire of the coaches at the moment...perhaps it's not for the greater good? I dunno.

I was a bit annoyed at how Collingwood can have some first year players just go out there and look to know what they are doing....I think it's cos Malthouse has developed a clear gameplan over the many years he has caoched so the new kids have a clear understanding of this so it makes them look good....us on the other hand well it's a bit of a mess....I suppose you have to give Ratten time...maybe it's not as bad as it looks but to me it looks like the players don't have a clear understanding of anything at the moment....I hope this changes I really do.

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I believe that Ratten is / will be a reasonable coach but not top drawer on evidence so far, tho he needs quality help in the coaching box and fast. Also, given the talent at hand, the odds are that he will get us to the 17th.

IMO, a top drawer coach would have had us playing finals last year, entrenched us in the top 4 this year. The difference between a top drawer and reasonable coach is 1 to 2 premierships. Think of Geelong under Malthouse or Roos, pretty sure they would have won more than 1 premiership by now.

I just don't want us to be next Geelong, super list yet only 1 premiership to show.

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c) Kick it long to Heath Shaw

d) Kick it long to O'Brien

please explain then mr. ideas.

the fact that hartlett got goals kicked on him because he was in the ruck, that was the players fault, nothing to do with the coaching.
the fact that maxwell was left unaccountable for 4 quarters of footy to chop off anything to Fev, players fault again, coaching was good.
the fact that our midfielders ran around like headless chooks, no clear system to get the ball to the other end, players fault, clearly coach told them to do better.
the fact that almost every transition from defence to attack involves a couple of chip kicks between thronton and bower, then to kick it long to Fisher or Kreuzer 80m out on the wing, resulting in a turnover, players fault??

Very presumptuous. We aren't nearly good enough to think that an ordinary coach will "yada yada" a flag. It doesn't work that way. St Kilda, Dogs, Cats, Pies have all had some fantastic teams over the decades, some of them well coached, and most of those teams got bupkis. Between them these 4 clubs have 2 flags in 200 years of trying.

Waiting for Ratten to become a reasonable coach is like waiting for Ellard to get promoted and play a few games - don't expect to be blown away.

We have 7 good older players with a future of 3-5 good years: Fevola, Judd, Thornton, Waite, Simpson, Carrazzo, Setanta (the last few are a stretch). We have 13 younger players with the talent to play 7+ years if they're good enough / improve enough: Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Joseph, Bower, Jamison, Austin, Kreuzer, Hampson, Warnock, Yarran, Betts, Grigg. Maybe add Browne, Robinson O'Keeffe and you have a group that should contend in 2010-2012 for September silverware.

The thing is, there are bigger, richer, hungrier, more professional clubs out there doing their best to do the same, yet you assume that a drover's dog could get this bunch over the line for a flag. Don't worry, even Melbourne, WCE and Freo will be good teams in 2-4 years.

I can't remember a year with fewer competitive teams. We've won one extra than last year, but apart from Judd getting fitness back and natural development of Kreuz, Hammer, Murph etc, plus the addition of Joseph, have we improved as a team? Flower it's been marginal.