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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:14 pm 
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Melvey, I'd be disappointed if what you are saying about Stevens and Scotland is true. They also need to be team players, particularly as they enter the twighlight of their careers.


It's true and i don't care what ever any of you have to say.



Stop spreading this shit.

You either document your claims - e.g. tell us exactly a source - or STFU.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:14 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
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Melvey, I'd be disappointed if what you are saying about Stevens and Scotland is true. They also need to be team players, particularly as they enter the twighlight of their careers.


It's true and i don't care what ever any of you have to say.

Im not doubting you at all. My ask of the club - no matter where they finish this year - is that they have a no holds barred review that asks the following questions:
- What do we need in playing talent to win a premiership in 2 years
- What coaches do we need to bring this about
- Who don't we need (players and coaches)

And make the hard calls. I don't want to waste the talent we have.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Longest post in three weeks that doesn't involve reality TV cooking?

I'm not sure anyone reads them anymore.

Thats ok verbs... you be you.. ill be me... :thumbsup:

Youd talk about positives in discovering syphillis..only outwardly mind you...... just to be "different"?

Having a few good quarters and a few bad quarters against the 3 worst sides in the comp... doesnt give me a hard on...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:19 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:21 pm 
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And you're missing the point again Juddy. Pretty sure I have stated I don't oppose the thread or those expressing their views. I'm laughing as much at myself as you guys, as both sides are sounding like broken records as we continually cover the same ground.

At least you blokes grabbed a win tonight. Congratulations :thumbsup:


Ahhhh ive worked it out.. youre mrs ratten right???

you earliuer said you dont mind people having a go at rarts coaching mrs ratten.. as long as its within reason or something?

Well mrs ratten...youve had your fun lately...having a go at us are you mrs ratten???... protecting the hubby are you????.... ..but here are my reasons again...

my reasons..
1)we know how hard it is this coaching caper to find one that can coach.. % are pretty low to have a good one..
2)hasnt coached anywhere
3)had the job handed to him on a plate by mates.
4)side undrilled after 2 years,.,
5) cant kick.... players have genuine skill flaws .. even judd and gibbs..
6) not enough kids have improved - its just been organic improvement... our lesser players struggle even our good ones struggle.
7) confusion on the part
8) too static
9) mrs ratten.... im getting onto nine... how many bad starts have we had... suggests whatever he says to them before they go out onto the park is having a nagative effect... (probably cos his tactics and mindset is one of negativity) mrs ratten....and the tactics and preparation which has been laid in place during the week.. mrs.. ratten... are usually that negative and flawed ...

dadadadada said.. it .. we went in too top heavy FOR STARTERS against collingwood..)... anyway our preparation often leaves us behind the eight ball.

10) Collingwood played with more FIRST YEAR players who played a solid role....in their more disciplined.. more drilled win...

Im assuming you are mrs ratten..... or a cousin???

and if you think im having a go.. you should read what you write up...

Now that was TEN REASONS WHY I THINK HE IS THE WRONG COACH... and until this club admits it was a horrendous mistake appointing Ratten as coach and moves to change things we will be hitting a glass ceiling...

... and no matter how many number 1 picks we have or Champion footballers... (he cant get the best out of anyone mind you)..., we will be banging our heads against the glass ceiling

Now what i want from you.... are three reasons as to WHY RATTEN IS THE RIGHT MAN....

Just THREE...

the floor is yours.... and whoever wants to take a crack...

Not ... so so wasnt liked and look at him now argument....

BUT WHY RATTS IS THE RIGHT MAN on what he HAS SHOWN SO FAR!!!

Ok????


Uhmmm??? I got nothing man... :oops:



i wrote that fast,,..

but the point is ... we got tested and we came up way short again...

cos the team and the players are not at the level of preparation required to be a good side...

and that level of preparation is organised by the people in charge of organising the team... getting the most out of the individual players and the team as a whole.

Completely under prepared tactically and skill wise.

Our players dont understand the modern game.

Theyre perplexed when they run out onto the field....

Everything theyre being taught does not compute ....

They are sitting ducks for any team that is prepared to play at the required level to be serious.

They can beat teams that arent attempting to win...

but.... "we can all go watch the last half of last week"

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:22 pm 
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So against Essendon* a statement was made, Ratts came out hard that week and launched an attack on the playing group. 1 month later we are back to square one, what's going wrong?

I'm starting to think our biggest problem this year, by far, is basic analysis; we stumble upon our strengths in week-to-week matchups and expect them to work the week after, and our negation and structure to deny the opposition is equally poor.

This needs to change. If we need to sack our opposition coach or match-up coach or whoever is responsible for that side of things, ok. If Ratts and the rest need to STFU and listen to his input, which he is paid to provide, then that is a concern.

Shoving Kreuzer forward when he would help ascertain a huge advantage in the ruck made very little sense. Continuing to play Johnson off the HB made very little sense. I'm all for trying these moves in a low-pressure game or when match-ups/time permits, but this was not the time or place to excessively experiment.

I am beginning to think Ratten is trying to use school-yard tricks to bamboozle the opposition; a low-brow version of "Fletcher to Full Forward" if you will.

As soon as Hartlett was back in the team he should have been thrown forward, Kreuzer to the ruck and work the midfield over. But no, that would be the logical, nay, obvious choice. Why not confuse them to our advantage? We don't need skill, we just need them scratching their heads for 2 seconds! That'll show 'em.

Ratten, you need a head check my boy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:22 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:32 pm 
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I'm going to post this again, because I think it got lost in the mud slinging that seems to be going on. Maybe this will get us back on topic.



I think that we need to make a genuine play for Laidley as Director of Coaching / Tactics.

We can't afford to have Ratts learning on the job next year as well.

Thoughts?



AGREE....SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR ABOUT A MONTH AGO

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:33 pm 
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Why would Laidley or anyone else go into a club set up full of blokes who drink each others bathwater to make one of them look good???

It wouldnt work...

Noone worth their salt would come to us now....

..... the set up is a joke in the footy world...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:35 pm 
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hey here's an idea, when we win and you crack the shits cos its hard to dribble when we win and you leave - stay LEFT!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:36 pm 
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That 3 - 2 Ratts way over Malthouse. One of malhouses was a gift in 2007 also.

So if we lose we are out coached and if we win Ratts out coached the opposition.

Last week he out coached Roos. A couple before that he outcoached Worsfold and Harvey ( who was a highly rated assistant coach with great credentials). A few months back he outcoached Eade, matched it with Lyon. This all too confusing.

I think a few of you are slightly overrating our list.

Tonight was a bad night for all involved with Carlton. Lets dust ourselves off and give it another crack next week. Players, coaches and supporters alike. The finals are still a chance and if we get in them then its been a great turn around for the club.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:36 pm 
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The last time we had an inexperienced coach we SACKED him and appointed a much more awarded coach than what Laidley is, a two time premiership coach, and we were SHIT for so long we have only just recovered and are now a chance to get back into the 8 and play finals.

Why do you lot want to go back in time and repeat history? Are you all NUTS? LOONY? CRAZY IN THE HEAD?

It didn't work then and it won't work again.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:37 pm 
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hey here's an idea, when we win and you crack the shits cos its hard to dribble when we win and you leave - stay LEFT!!!!!!!


So im meant to get a fatty cos we beat the bottom 3 teams am i???

especillay when theyre tanking and humiliated us in patches???

Oh how low we have fallen as a club...

weirdest thing is when you think thats all there is... there is still some more...

Yes... lets get excited everybody..., we can beat the bottom 3 tanking teams... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:38 pm 
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hey here's an idea, when we win and you crack the shits cos its hard to dribble when we win and you leave - stay LEFT!!!!!!!


Here's an idea, stop sitting on the fence and say what you really think about the direction of this club.

I wish you were just as passionate about this club as you are trying to make a point out of me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:40 pm 
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That 3 - 2 Ratts way over Malthouse. One of malhouses was a gift in 2007 also.

So if we lose we are out coached and if we win Ratts out coached the opposition.

Last week he out coached Roos. A couple before that he outcoached Worsfold and Harvey ( who was a highly rated assistant coach with great credentials). A few months back he outcoached Eade, matched it with Lyon. This all too confusing.

I think a few of you are slightly overrating our list.

Tonight was a bad night for all involved with Carlton. Lets dust ourselves off and give it another crack next week. Players, coaches and supporters alike. The finals are still a chance and if we get in them then its been a great turn around for the club.



Finals are a chance cos the competition is craap.... but that doesnt mean anything except that were struggling in a crap competition...

What we need is for the competition to get alot crappier... and if were still average.. it should get crapper again for us...

The comp should come down to us... we shouldnt be striving for betterment...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:42 pm 
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I've said this before and I'll say it again...

2 years ago we wanted Voss...
Voss declared himself unavailable so we gave the job to Ratten...
Therefore we rated Voss ahead of Ratten ...
Ratten has done nothing in 2 years to show that he will be anything special ...
now Buckley is available, and Buckley by most experts estimations was at least on a par with Voss, if not rated above him, before he began coaching the Lions...
ERGO we need to say goodbye to Ratts and get Buckley - we will never have this chance again.

GET BUCKLEY - he would jump at the Carlton job over North or Richmond.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:46 pm 
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Teddy wrote:
I've said this before and I'll say it again...

2 years ago we wanted Voss...
Voss declared himself unavailable so we gave the job to Ratten...
Therefore we rated Voss ahead of Ratten ...
Ratten has done nothing in 2 years to show that he will be anything special ...
now Buckley is available, and Buckley by most experts estimations was at least on a par with Voss, if not rated above him, before he began coaching the Lions...
ERGO we need to say goodbye to Ratts and get Buckley - we will never have this chance again.

GET BUCKLEY - he would jump at the Carlton job over North or Richmond.


But on the head to head basis that seems to be rule in this thread Ratts has outcoached Voss 2 - nil.


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