Just got back to the game was a disgraceful effort from start to finish

What a way to come out with a shocker for the Pratt cup the players should hold there heads in shame

To many fumbles too many dropped marks .. poor disposals

And the amount of times the Collingwood players had numbers around the ground was in many cases 2/3 on 1 or 4/5 on 2 just the pies made space and ran harder

I will just put down as a poor night at the office and will still pass or fail the season based on making the 8 or missing the 8

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

CONS
centre breaks
THE SKILLS
kicking, into our forwardline, for goal, going backwards
gibbs gave it back about 7 times
kicking it high over kreuzer's head nearly behind him making it an easy spoil for leigh brown.
I WENT TO THE GAME
letting players run with the ball without running at them.

PROS
Bower - played exceptionally well imo
Kreuzer - this guy is absolutely awesome his efforts after efforts.
Joseph - i thought he played quite well on davis after his first quarter and a bit. i think he'll become a great tagger
a girl who went for carlton beat this collingwood dude in the 'brrrr' contest at half time.

PROS:

- Kreuzer (simply magnificent, and only 20 - best of the No. 1's).
- AJ
- Glimpses form Russell, Houlihan, Austin and Bower.
- Fev - he needs to be a positive for the night. Kept presenting, no sooking even though our delivery to him on the lead was atrocious, and if he stayed at home we would wait long enough for a 4 on 1 then bomb it... and be astounded when he hasn't pulled something out of his ar$e to kick the goal. He can be a pillock but jeez we do our best to make his job difficult.

CONS:
- We are not a team!!! This should be the sole focus of our coaching instruction for the rest of the year. Not running for each other, no discernible game plan... this is why we play a game like this every 3 weeks where we appear terrible. Team of champions < Champion team.
- How did our clearance set-up get beaten so badly when it was Kreuzer/Hampson vs Wood/Brown
- At the moment we are a two man team. When Fev and Judd fire it covers over the cracks in the plaster aka our peerless coaching panel. When they don't fire, we suck...
- Missed Santy. The need for a second forward who is considered dangerous enough to draw extra men is excruciating. Making Maxwell look half decent is an inditement on us.
- Fisher, marking time unfortunately.
- I flew 7 hours back from Singapore, drove another hour all just to get home by 8:30. This was a nice coincidence that I was home just as the footy started... right up until the footy started!!
- I have 2 Filth supporting brothers and 1 filth supporting brother-in-law. Will see them all tomorrow. Flower it.

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Tom Cameron - Born 20/03/10

Pros

Murph did his best to spark us
Bower excellent when we were getting smashed early
Thornton good
Simmo good
Kreuzer sensational player particularly at ground level.
Joseph - beaten by opponent at times but took the game on beautifully
Yarran did little after qtr time, but showed willingness in the first to hit in hard, now we, and he know he can play with physicality. The rest will come with hard work

Hammer has De Luca's hands but even at this early stage is involved in all phases of the game - dominant at bounces, competitive at ground level, chases well, makes plenty of marking contests. Can't see how he won't become a major AFL player at his current rate of improvement.

Actually thought the team tried hard to run the ball as much as possible - disagree with those that thought we were slow to move it. Which brings me to the

Cons

Worst. Forward. Line. Ever. No movement, no leads, no CHF, no Fev, no Fisher. Garbage
"Kicking".
Put those two together and you get 4 goals. Goalkicking was poor but look at where the shots were taken and the pressure under which the attempts were taken.

Bentley - poor game by his standards
Hartlett - looks like he knows he's not good enough.
Grigg - I've overrated him - his kicking is disgusting. Can get the ball, can't use it
Johnson - kicking was poor, but he also kept being beaten body on body and for defensive nous in 1st half
Fev - got hurt (bizarrely of course) but stopped leading and we were flowered
Ratten - at this stage, he's clearly a below average AFL coach. There was a time when below average coaches were sacked swiftly at Carlton. Around the time we were winning a flag every 3 years.
Collingwood are a disciplined team and well coached. Set the tone early with great pressure, direct related to our poor kicking - footsteps all night long

Cons-

Our Bottome 4 players are uncoachable

Our coaching staff are not qualified nor adept enough to coach the other 18

Given the resource and playing list at Carlton Brett Ratten is the worst Carlton Coach since 1964

PRO
Kreuzer
Murphy
Austin

CON
Hartlett
Johnson
The fact that we go to pieces without Fev
The fact that Lappin is still our forward coach - Just give him a paper bag and send him on his way already!!!!
The fact that we still don't have a president
The fact that we are still probably in the bottom 4 sides for Kick-ins



Walker must come into the side
Hope to god that Judd, Jamo, and Setanta are fit
I think its time for a Stevens recall (pending form against Bendigo)

Please please please get Warnock up and running ASAP

Pros:

Kruezer is something special
AJ did well
Simmo, Gibbs, Murphy and Judd can hold their heads up high
Bower continues to develop into a quality player
Austin showed some good signs

Cons:

No forward setup at all (Lappin and Ratten to blame there)
Dominated two quarters of play for one goal, see previous line
Hartlett again showing he cant play at this level
Hampson played like an athlete tonight, cant believe how many easy marks he dropped
Yarran lazy again, that kick late in the 3rd to Carrazzo when 18 pts down which led to a Pies goal was a big turning point. Should get dropped this week
Morons ringing up SEN complaining about Fev whats he supposed to do when surronded by 4 collingwood players every time we went into the 50, or when the ball goes over his head or to his feet

Woops forgot to mention that Bower was fantastic, and Thornton played well too - could have done with less bitching though.

It's funny that in recent years people have been so worried about our backline, but now it's one of our strengths.

I agree that Yarran seems to warrant dropping again, but Setanta's fitness is causing us headaches.
Dare I say it but I think Ratts will recall Cloke this week


How far away is Rhys O'Keefe from breaking into the team? Is he any outside chance to play this year?
Would love to see what he's got up forward. Hartlett sealed his marching orders tonight - He and Edwards must go.

and of course there is no connection between that and
1) the skill development of players
2) positioning of players
3) confidence in where they set up etccc
4) cccccccoooooaaaaaaccchiing

OOPS SORRY.....I forgot, Ratten's last words before the players run out is not, and I repaet, not, "Listen boys, make sure you don't hit the side of a !@#$% barn"

So, that absloves Ratten from the blame
Everything's fine, we're coming from a long way back and anyone who dares share an opinion that contradicts those of the happy elephant stampers is a troll, Essendon* supporter blah blah.
RATTEN IS A VERY POOR COACH
Look at what Adelaide did to Freo the week after we just fell over the line
Last week only worked after Ratten threw out the plan he'd worked on for a week and basically told the players to play offensively

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Did anyone else notice this instance that was typical for me? Houlihan had to get rid of the ball quickly and Russell was going past in front of him into space in front of goal. Houlihan ignored him and looked around for his drinking and card playing buddy Fevola. Turnover.
Are our senior players looking to kick to their old buddies too much?

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Saw that.

I wonder if Fisher is being nursed to 100 games as a favour from Ratts.....can't see why he is in otherwise.

Pros
- Walker, Jamison and Setanta to return from injury soon.
- A couple of good kids in Robinson and Browne in the Bullants to press for selection
- special mention to Kreuze...what a gun
- JR and Joseph tried hard and keep improving. Ditto Austin
- our defence was OK...well done to Bower and T Bird

Cons
- Hartlett not up to it
- Johnson no good when the heat is on
- Bentley tries hard but we really should be playing a kid ahead of him
- Fisher didn't offer much

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no, there is a connection, I if you read some of my posts you'll see I wasn't happy with Ratts either, but what happened out there tonight was not just because of positioning of players (the other 3 are meaningless rants on your behalf). Some poor ideas mainly in the forward line - its been obvious we need a CHF all year but he decides to play Kruise deep beside Fev - nah and Grigg on Shaw - nah and Fish as our CHF - na.

Think we got ahead of where Hammer is at too.

But really we have to work out can we have a fully functioning forward line with Fev - if so how? If not what do we do? I actually think this as much as anything will decide how we go over the next couple of years and that is definitely a coaching decision.

Despite this we clawed back into the game with none - NONE of our players able to hit up a target by hand or foot all night.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Ok Here goes:

PROS:

Kruezer, for a young lad he has plenty of leadership ability and guts.

AJ, at least we have 1 guy who is not afraid to take the game on.

Bower, Austin, Thornton were very good down back

Russel did well

Hammer is coming along


CONS:

We got absolutely raped at stoppages

Our skills were rubbish

Johnson could not get a game at Melbourne and we give him a go. WOW

Hartlett played his fairwell game tonight See ya mate.

Scotland has lost his mojo


Next week Walker, Wiggins, Robinson, Jamison and Carlos if fit. must come in

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Blue boy thru and thru

Pro's

Bower was very good and is becoming a great defender
AJ worked his guts out and never dropped his head
Gibbs worked his way into the game in the 2nd half
Hoops tried hard and was OK

Con's
Kicking...
Midfield...was destroyed and never looked like winning a clearance
Forward line...stagnant and predictable....very slow forward entries...no marking options...especially Fisher
Plan B...was there one?
1% plays...didnt work hard enough all night
Allowing Collingwood to run...they are slow for @#$%&! sake...why were they allowed to bounce their way through the midfield at will?
Reliance on stars...No Judd, no Fev...no Carlton
The rest

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Pro

The bottle of shiraz I openned at the start of the telecast

Con

Openning the second bottle of shiraz to drown by sorrows
My thumping hangover this morning

Edit - oh, another con was Carlton's p!ss-poor performance. Skill errors and game plan (or lack thereof) crucified us

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Pros
Bower, Thornton, Murphy, Joseph and Kruezer all tried

Cons
4.16
Disposal
Bentley
Hartlett
Johnson
Kicking in from goal
No game plan
Gibbs' turnovers
Hampsons' marking attempts
We lost to Collingwood
It was cold

PRO

- Krooz. Wow!
- AJ. Wow!
- Stevens, Jamo, Setanta, Warnock, Walker, Robbo, Browne, Armfield, Garlett, Jacobs all in the mix
- We've used 36(?) players this year without Walker and Warnock which shows that we're sticking to the long-term plan and not chasing quick, unsustained glory.

CON

- Fev leading to the wrong spots, compounded by the fact that a lot of left footers were getting caught out running down the right wing.
- Nobody leading into the space (deep in the pocket) created by Fev when the big guy leads up the middle looking for a kick with the wrong foot across the body through traffic.
- Hammer has stone hands and timing issues when marking without using his chest. Needs to spend as much time in front of a ball machine as he does on his ruck work. One might compliment the other.
- Bower charges at and parries the footy rather than trapping it... good game from him last night though. Probably a glare issue?

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pros;
bower, vast improver.
austin, always gets his hands in front to spoil.
kreuzer, gee whiz!
judd, say no more.

cons;
bentley, gone!!!
hartlett, see above
houlihan, to slow
fisher, cant even kick 40mtrs, nothing at ground level!!!!
scotland, does not even look half interested, has lost his mojo!!!
johnson, alot to work on!!!

walker, hadley, stevens, robinson, gartlett, jamison, o'hailpin and browne are all suitable replacements!!!!!!!!
how can a coach let shaw and swan roam across half back with no pressure what so ever?
how can shaw run out of defence from a kick in and not one player chase him?
why would you not tag pendlebury?
iam am pissed off!!!!!!!!