So you're saying any of our forwards played on him would have kicked 9?
14 kicks for 9.1, how many should he have kicked? 15, 20?

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No you are right Marci, Fev will have played 10 years for the club and will recieve the same concessions as a veteran

You will always have your Fev lovers and Fev haters..fact remains even playing in shite teams he has scored over 60 plus goals for the last 5 years. If we were to trade him where would these additional 60 plus goals come from??? A 29 year old half forward flanker in ROK?? Adam hartlett, Brad Fisher?? Jake Edwards??..give me a break he is A Grade and we should ride the roller coaster until we can develop a proper replacement to take us places.

All those examples were player lead - not club lead, and all were out of contract. If Fev WANTS to go he will but as he is an attention seeker he probably will prefer to stay in Melbourne where he is recognised all the time.

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

Chicken or the Egg?

Do we continually kick to Fev because he scores, or does he score because we continually kick to him?

If we traded him, would we lose 80 goals a year? Or would the fact that every other option in the team would automatically get 60% more delivery mean that our scoring would be more evenly spread?

Does Geelong (as a team) score much less in this era without a key forward target, as they did when they had one of the very greatest in GAB Senior?

Who's the last Premiership team with a single dominant forward? Is having such a set-up conducive to playing finals-winning football?

Fev's insanely talented, but if you traded him according to a strict plan of the structure you wanted to create, and got picks/players in return that help you achieve that end, I'd have no problem with a trade.

Of course, the big factor (and one that none of us could possibly know enough to comment on) is how healthy the culture is amongst the playing group, and how much a part of that Fev is. Assuming we all want the players to play for each other in a selfless way, similar to the way Geelong, St Kilda, Adelaide and in their day Sydney did... does Fev help or hinder that process?

THAT would be my key criteria. But to be honest, I wouldn't have a bloody clue. That's what Ratten, Icke and co. are paid to know. Obviously there's a problem, because guys like Stevens just wouldn't be allowed to get overweight mid-season at one of the aforementioned clubs. But is Fev part of the problem, or just an easy target?

Dunno.

Looking back over the last 10 seasons

Hawks had Buddy
Swans had Hall
Power had Tredrea
Lions had Brown
Bombers Had Lloyd
Kangaroos had Carey

But these clubs also had pretty handy second forwards like Roughead, O'Loughlin, Burgoyne, Bradshaw, Lucas and McKernan
The Cats and The Eagles were the only two teams who didn't have A-Grade Full Forwards but does that matter when you have AAA midfields with the likes of Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Ablett, Bartell, Corey & co delivering the ball into the forward line?


St Kilda are looking likely this year because they have the combination of good midfielders in career best form such as Dal Santo, Hays, Montagna and 2 Key forwards in similair form


From a Carlton POV our midfield is not that far away but we desperately need that second tall option in the forward line which will make Fev even better because the opposition will have to conscious of mor than one player. I believe that Kreuzer, Waite or O'hailpin are the answer but Waite and Santy have their injury concerns and Kreuzer needs to play ruck whilst Warnock is unavailable.

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

That's exactly what I mean, darknavy.

Multiple scoring options. Hawks had Roughead, Franklin, Dew, Williams. Essendon* Lloyd, Lucas, Hird. Swans nearly won two flags with Hall hardly scoring in either. Brown/Bradshaw/Akermanis. Carey was great, but in '99, it was Mckernan and Grant who did the real damage.

I just think we're too likely to play dumb football with a single forward target who is so much better than all others in the side. Sure, people can say "Fev kicked 9 today, and if we didn't have him, Richmond would've won". Sure. But Fev has also kicked 8 against Essendon* and Hawthorn, and we've lost those games.

The club has to find a way to make a Fevola work, or they really need to look elsewhere. Hoping he'll kick 9.1 isn't really a plan.

darknavy and John, you keep forgetting Alistair Lynch at the Lions was pretty handy forward as well.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Of course.

So we really have NO hope

I understand what you are saying but it is ludicrous to trade a bloke because he is too good at what he does. Its not Fev's fault that the club haven't been able to draft or develop a reliable tall second option - Fisher, Cloke, DeLuca, Morrel, Young, Edwards, Angwin all have been given their chances. Kreuzer or O'hAilpin IMO are the two that look most likely but it will not succeed without Fev being there as well. Fev on fie plus the mobile Kreuzer with 1 more preseason and Setanta with 100 (senior& reserves) games under his belt could be a very scay proposition for opposition defenders in 2010.

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

Hey guys, I ain't advocating trading Fev.

He will be a Blue for life.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Not an issue for me IF he is consistently team orientated/didnt have the mental fade outs. Have always said that I prefer to judge him on team stuff rather than the number of goals kicked.

I personally think that it is impossible to know what Fev is thinking or where he's at mentally by reading into his antics. Many media commentators where bagging Fev in the 1st quarter and praised him for the remaining 3 quarters.
Is it a case of Fev switching on and getting his head in the right space or was his head in the right space, but not getting reward for work. Only the coach can answer that.

The general publics bagging of his antics (which includes some posters on here) reinforce the umpires right to call is differently that they would to say Rewvolt and Brown.
If we want Fev to get a fair call, then we as supporters of the CFC need to stand behind Fev and SUPPORT him and demand that Umps treat him no differently than any other player. Maybe then Fev mightn't get so fustrated and we will see less of the poor games from him.

The only other player that seems to cop the same treatment from the umps is Barry Hall, and we only have to see how he's handled it to realise how well Fev is going about it.....

If the rule has changed I'll stand corrected. I haven't seen any evidence that it has...

You may be right, but from memory there was a change (or going to be) that veterans can be nominated after 10 years service provided that the club has no players over 30.

This topic is sooooo boring. I know I should not read it, but it is like a bad pimple, you need to look at it all the time.

No I didn't say that at all Megaman You're jumping at shadows.

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Bawditawaba

Fair enough then

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He is up against Bolton this week if he can come even close to repeating last weeks effort against him.

I will jump to the keep Fev camp

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I think being dragged twice in the first quarter would indicate that the coach did answer that.

On umpiring and how fev is treated - no doubt there are a couple of missed ones each week - think it happens to most key forwards though. The main difference is that some will go on with it to the umps (richo, fev, mooney etc) whereas others are more likely to just get on with the play and the next contest (brown, bradshaw, reidwoldt). Looking at it objectively I dont think Fev gets a particularly raw deal (doesnt mean he gets an armchair ride either!)