Stevens let go for nothing? They stuffed up.

I agree, they weren't given a flag team. That's nowhere even near the point.

Williams looked for and got one-trick ponies and arseholes, IMO. Now, when others have either worked it out, or the game has changed, they fall into a heap. A successful side is flexible, and adapts to changes in rules and interpretations, and the game, and other players coming in.

Williams doesn't have that.

I just don't understand why so many are trying to throw Ratten out while the team he inherited as a steaming turd a couple of years back is just starting to pay dividends.

Let's revisit the theme after round 22, see what the tally is then.

Don't forget he was happy to see the back of Nick Stevens without compensation and they went on to win a flag. Where as we've let him dictate how he represents himself at our club

Stevens let go for nothing? They stuffed up.

They did get wanganeen and primus i think...

They still won a flag.

Yeah they really stuffed up.

Also got Tredrea, Lade and P Burogyne All draft zone picks.

Well, by that logic all we need to do is get rid of Stevens, and the rest will take care of itself.

Your logic sucks.

And Ratten has inherited Andrew Walker, Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd, Brendan Fevola, Kade Simspon, Jarrad Waite, Eddie Betts

Judd a brownlow medalist, all australian and premiership captain. Murph, Gibbs and Krooze number one draft picks. Brendan Fevola all Australian

Now thats some talent but in 40 or so games we've seen no improvement other than the natural progression of those i mentioned.

"
... and we still dont have a gameplan...
cant kick out... (get army to kick out)
cant distribute the ball.. (get army to distribute the ball)
cant get fev clear
judd is one on three...
cant block and make space
cant kick into space or to position..



I thought you'd be happy.

I can't remember Army kicking out, or distributing the ball.
We managed to get Fev clear a few times.
Judd wasn't one on three all the time.
A few times we blocked and made space.
We even kicked to space and position a few times despite the wind making life difficult.
I actually thought Ratts had been reading your posts and had taken your criticism to heart.
Well done

Handly lot of kids.... but where would they have gone in the draft???

All top 4???

or top 5???

So Port did a good job maximising their kids with development..

Thats my point....

You still have to forge something and make it plyable to win a flag...

Youre pointing out what Port have.. but they developed it... those players improved all the time.... and Williams got the most out of them...

Its not like you can win a flag without doing that...

What have we done???

Ratts has inherited quality too, but Williams had two years before his side showed anything, Ratten is being written off halfway through his second.He may still make the finals and you're looking at a list that has gone from 15th to 10th and then into the 8. Players who were considered borderline, like Bower and Austin are now becoming important parts of the team. Guys like Waite, Thornton and Carrazzo are playing the best football of their careers. There's many ways you can see this argument.

We're IMPROVING!

What more do you want this year?!

Ratts has inherited quality too, but Williams had two years before his side showed anything, Ratten is being written off halfway through his second.He may still make the finals and you're looking at a list that has gone from 15th to 10th and then into the 8. Players who were considered borderline, like Bower and Austin are now becoming important parts of the team. Guys like Waite, Thornton and Carrazzo are playing the best football of their careers. There's many ways you can see this argument.

We're coming out of the quagmire of crippling draft penalties, retirements and 3 wooden spoons, FFS!

We're IMPROVING!

What more do you want this year?!

Actually its 43/44 games... equivalent to 2 years...

Oh, a president who doesn't booze on with the boys would be a bonus.