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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:58 pm 
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Apart from those already mentioned:
Pros
I thought Hampson payed his best game for us. Haven't seen the hitout stats but I thought he did very well there.
Garlett will be a cult figure at the club before Yarran. His effort when he backed himse;f abnd then sent it to Fev was great and only lacked a couple of inches to be a great pass.
Meeting Taff.

Cons:
Too many handballs across HB. We need to learn how to possess the footy when it is time to slow down.
Taking the foot off the gas when we might need percentage at the end of the home and away.
Kicking out after a behind just gets worse every week.
Brisbane winning.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:20 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
We didn't nearly lose keogh.......

I'm sorry I can't astound you in more a positive manner.


Melbourne proved today that Freo and Richmond are the two worst teams in the AFL

I get accused by some posters for being overally negative
Perhaps that is true but I also am a realist and anyone who thought we were home and hosed in that game is vseriously a flower.
Also our last 3 weeks have been seriously ordinary
We have more holes than swiss cheese but some posters are so flower narrow minded because you know

you cant knock winning form. We have won 2 in a row :roll:
bit like a horse winning a maiden and a class 1 then all of a sudden we will chuck him in a group one. Would you back that flower nag

Being brutaly honest for a minute TBM
The first Richmond game
Both Brisbane games
the Doggies game
The StKilda game
were good.
The rest I can give and take with some fairly shithouse peformances thrown in
I reckon we have advanced to some degree on the back of a couple of improved individuals Judd being one of them but as a team I would say we may have actually gone backwards.
The way the final 8 is shaping up I can see only us and the scum going out.
Interesting that Hawthorn won today.
Forget those flower from Alberton.
Hawthorn is the team that will knock Essendon* or Carlton out.
Given that we play
Sydney home
Coll
North
Melb
Adelaide(at home)
Geelong
Port(away)
I would say thats a pretty good run home
4 certain wins there hey TBM
that gives us 12 wins with a good % we should make the 8.

If we dont with the easy draw then what should happen to Ratten. Obviously with the opinions you have of me, you can make a judgement about our coach.

Do you think everything is rosy TBM
Because I dont
I walk away from yesterdays game pretty empty
What's worse we had Fevola, golden boy Gibbs and Ratts going on about how the trip to Perth and the 6 day break was the reason for the lack of run in the 4th quarter. Blurted all over the Melbourne airwaves

So happens that only 16 hours earlier last weekend Richmond played a much better team on the Gold Coast which if you didnt know isnt a satellite suburb of Melbourne.

Hey dont think I love seeing Carlton lose.I have actually been accused by narrowminded posters of that.
I love the club but Sat at the dome against a team that is a tough customer after a loss doesnt fill me with a lot of confidence given how our last 3 weeks have been.
I am sure some supporters think we just have to turn up and beat the Swannies.

Hope for your sake you aint one of em


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:25 pm 
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Pros: Fev!
Russell!!
Vcitory! Once we got in front it was hard to see us losing that one. At my footy match today the Tigers supporters were of the same opinion.
When you factor in Walker, Waite, Warnock, Wiggins, Scotland, Stevens, Austin, O'hAilpin and Hadley our depth is starting to look a little better.


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:28 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Pros: Fev!
Russell!!
Vcitory! Once we got in front it was hard to see us losing that one. At my footy match today the Tigers supporters were of the same opinion.
When you factor in Walker, Waite, Warnock, Wiggins, Scotland, Stevens, Austin, O'hAilpin and Hadley our depth is starting to look a little better.




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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:30 pm 
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verbs wrote:
When you factor in Walker, Waite, Warnock, Wiggins, Scotland, Stevens, Austin, O'hAilpin and Hadley our depth is starting to look a little better.

+ Bower

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:32 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
verbs wrote:
When you factor in Walker, Waite, Warnock, Wiggins, Scotland, Stevens, Austin, O'hAilpin and Hadley our depth is starting to look a little better.

+ Bower


Oh yeah, true. And Yarran starting his career. And Browne too.


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:36 pm 
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verbs wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
verbs wrote:
When you factor in Walker, Waite, Warnock, Wiggins, Scotland, Stevens, Austin, O'hAilpin and Hadley our depth is starting to look a little better.

+ Bower


Oh yeah, true. And Yarran starting his career. And Browne too.


Yeah terrific


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:41 pm 
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keogh, i sort of agree with you

im not getting too carried away with our last few wins, becuase of who they have been against, nor am i going to get too carried away if (more so when) we beat the swans. but in the same breath, and im having this very argument with a couple collingwood mates at the moment, winning is important, but its who you win against.
and i take somewhat of a positive look on things. its almost as if, the better the opponent, the better we play.

collingwood, who everyone has falled for, are currently in "great form" if ou listen to everyone.

they have beaten no one, with the exception of the bulldogs, and that was only by a point. look at the two clubs, and how they fair against top 8 sides.

against saints - we lost by 9, the lost by 80+
against geelong - they lost by 20+, we are yet to play them
against bulldogs - we won by 40+, they won by a point
head to head - we beat them by 50+ Points
against the crows - we lost by 30+, they lost by 4 points
against the lions - we beat them twice (H&A), they have played them once and won (A)
against the dons - we lost twice, they have won 1, lost 1

forget the results against sides outside of the 8, they dont interest me to be honest, as we should be beating them, even though we have dropped some silly games to the bombers, freo and hawthorn.

now why is it, and i tend to agree with most, why is that collingwood are world betters again, having played no once, and that includes playion melbourne twice in that period (we havent played them or north once yet) but now they are suddenly world beaters and are a top 4 side?

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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Last year was okay considering the years before it, but this year has been pretty damn exciting. I can smell finals. Not too long to go now!


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:51 pm 
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ScottSaunders wrote:
keogh, i sort of agree with you

im not getting too carried away with our last few wins, becuase of who they have been against, nor am i going to get too carried away if (more so when) we beat the swans. but in the same breath, and im having this very argument with a couple collingwood mates at the moment, winning is important, but its who you win against.
and i take somewhat of a positive look on things. its almost as if, the better the opponent, the better we play.

collingwood, who everyone has falled for, are currently in "great form" if ou listen to everyone.

they have beaten no one, with the exception of the bulldogs, and that was only by a point. look at the two clubs, and how they fair against top 8 sides.

against saints - we lost by 9, the lost by 80+
against geelong - they lost by 20+, we are yet to play them
against bulldogs - we won by 40+, they won by a point
head to head - we beat them by 50+ Points
against the crows - we lost by 30+, they lost by 4 points
against the lions - we beat them twice (H&A), they have played them once and won (A)
against the dons - we lost twice, they have won 1, lost 1

forget the results against sides outside of the 8, they dont interest me to be honest, as we should be beating them, even though we have dropped some silly games to the bombers, freo and hawthorn.

now why is it, and i tend to agree with most, why is that collingwood are world betters again, having played no once, and that includes playion melbourne twice in that period (we havent played them or north once yet) but now they are suddenly world beaters and are a top 4 side?


They have a good coach for starters.
They also have players fit and firing again. I saw them against StKilda and they were shocking but veru undermanned with a number of their prime movers out.
I hate to say it but Didak has been awesome and made a huge difference
do you tag him or Swann.

They are also playing for each other. Even Thomas is laying tackles.

I have said it numerous times we have too many selfish footballers. When we have have a bad one everyone turns to Judd but he cant do everything.
Bar the aints game which actually gave me the most confidence, if the opposition shut down Judd and Fevola we are basically [REDACTED] Scott. There is your answer.
Buckley on channel seven said the most accurate thing said by a commentater this year about Carlton.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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that argument doesnt play with me to be honest.

everyside is in the same boat, about the only side im not sure about is the crows, as to be honest, i just dont see them enough to know.

shutdown revolt and hayes - saints will struggle
shutdown ablett and chapman - geelong will struggle
shutdown gilbee and cooney - dogs will struggle
shut down swann and didak - pies will struggle
shut down brown & bradshaw - lions will struggle
shut down llyod & lucas - bombers will struggle

any side shuts down the two best players from the otherside, they will struggle.

now all of them have players that can step up, but so do we, i dont think we are any better or any worse than anyside in the eight (with the exception of saints and geelong who i think are the stand outs)

if we play, the way we can play, we can match and haved matched it with any side in the comp.

and this is with a very young list, waite, walker and warnock having missed all or most of the season

everyone likes to think we havent improved, i reckon our improvement this year has been outstanding.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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verbs wrote:
Last year was okay considering the years before it, but this year has been pretty damn exciting. I can smell finals. Not too long to go now!


:lol:

How many more quarters to win?

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:44 pm 
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Pros
We Won

Cons
used to be you couldn't come on this board after a loss
because of the hysterical ranting and naysayers
now you can't come on after a win either.
look at port today; playing for a finals spot and got badly beaten
We WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:54 am 
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PRO's:-

FEVOLA
Great game after a very scratchy start. Love this guy. You take the good with the bad, but i believe there is far more good!

KREUZER
In the years to come, i believe he'll be more valuable than Murphy or Gibbs. The kid is just special.

RUSSELL
Probably he's best game so far (in terms of his confidence). He played well, but the best thing is that he's had 2 good games in a row now. Keep it up.

No WAITE / No WALKER / No BOWER
This type of Half Back line is gonna be one of the best in the business one day, and they haven't even played yet. For us to go into games with Bently & Johnson running off Half Back and win............well, thank the lucky stars! :eek:

FINALS SECURED?
You would certainly think so wouldn't you. First time since 2001. Exciting huh? Well.......... kinda. With the style of play that we adopt, you would think we'd just be making up the numbers come finals time. But with Walker & Bower coming back, Setanta recovering, and hopefully Scotland finding some form, we could well pull off an upset.

NO STEVENS
And we win everytime????? Coincidence? I don't think so.




CONS':-

UMPIRES
They were crap. Terrible. Paid questionable free's to Richmond but didn't pay clear ones to us. Murphy copped attention all day and nothing happend. What the hell is going on with Holding the ball these days? One second it's paid, the next it's not?

BENTLY
Sure, he kicked a goal, but he just isn't up to this standard. Plus, looks too slow and gangly. I'd much rather prefer Scotland. Even though Ratts cannot be blamed for not picking him.

OVER-USE
Was it just me or did we piss-fart around FAR TOO MUCH for most of the game. Plus, in the first half, it really looked like we were playing a game not suited for the conditions.

NEGLECTING CENTRE CORIDOOR
Again i saw evidence of this. Can't really say that it's a con because we won, but think of it this way................ the last two weeks we have failed to run it through the centre when we've had the chance too. Sure, we've won, but against who?
Fremantle? Who suck and only scored a pathetic solitary goal against Adelaide last week anyway.
Richmond? Again a team who sucks and we should have thrashed them by 5 goals + easy.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
verbs wrote:
Last year was okay considering the years before it, but this year has been pretty damn exciting. I can smell finals. Not too long to go now!


:lol:

How many more quarters to win?


Still a few. I'll update in a couple of weeks. It's way too boring to update every week.


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Pro: Winning a nothing, horrible, pointless match rather than losing it and struggling for positives. Years ago we'd have lost by a few goals and just felt empty all week.

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CON: I once saw Carlton kick 2.12 vs Collingwood.

PRO: We beat them in the last game of the season.


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CONS:

I am not sure if its just me or was that the worst umpiring anybody has ever seen?

Carlton got smashed by the umpire in that game and a lot of the frees (that were NOT frees) helped richmond get back into the game IMO. Sure we faded a bit, but gee it was almost like Graeme March gave those umpires a blank cheque and said "Do your best for us guys". It was also like they had a couple of extra players on the ground as a result!!

ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL :mad:

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Pros: Freo now having the lowest ever score since the AFL changed from the VFL
We won

Cons: None, we won...bring on Sydney

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keogh wrote:
Do you think everything is rosy TBM
Because I dont
I walk away from yesterdays game pretty empty


No I don't keogh I'm pretty flat myself and my team has definitely underwhelmed me this year...apart from some quarters here and there I've been dissapointed because of the expectations I held pre season.

Whether it was my expectations that were wrong I don't know but I'm not particularly impressed right now.

However :grin: there were no if buts or maybes I knew we'd beat richmond....watching it unfold it was one of those games....had I been listening on the radio I might not have been so confident but watching it.....there was no question.

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