Can you promise me this. I'd rather see Lance get a game before Fisher

I doubt Yarran will get a game as i don't think his fitness is at a level required at AFL and the Bullants had a bye this week

well he was an emergency today, Betts is out of form and Fish is just not looking great right now. I'd say it's good time to get him into the mix.

Who was the Yarran available late or in the rookie draft?

I'd be as naive and and angry as the critics if we had picked Jetta and Walters ahead of Robinson to find a Yarran late.

Is this about not picking Jurrah ahead of Tiller?

I don't give a stuff about Rich.

Rich might not need more upside, but Yarran has the upside, talent, pace and skill on both sides of his body to go to a level above any midfielder drafted last year.

Or player...

We had the blue chips midfielders and rucks, but needed a blue chip match winner in his own right.

Rich looked slow as buggery after he handed the ball to Sherman.

If McGrath could torch the Cats like he did tonight, I'm just going to sit back and wait patiently for the Yarran train to leave the station.

I don't understand this hardnut stuff.

Why do we need a hard nut? We win our fair share of clearances. We need to protect more for Judd but that's partly time playing together as a group and also our developing ruckmen.

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Juddy wins our clearances (he had a total of 12 today).

We need Juddy carrying the ball and hitting up our forwards or kicking goals himself

We are a weak team. We have no **** about us

Did you miss Shaun Grigg's game today? Injured in the last pre season game but before that was impressing. Grigg has shown he can provide the mongrel...while Judd was off against St Kilda Grigg stood up and smashed into the packs. He does provide the attack on the ball but Murphy does as well so we aren't really lacking in this area.

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WOW we have 'one'

We have no hunger. We have no mongrel. We don't hate anyone.

We should be settling a few scores but all we care about is playing rolling zones and trying to shut out every other opposition player and being defensive.

Judd dominated first possession and clearances at his old club, they just put him in space when he did.

Judd's doing what he always did, just doesn't have the lane and channels to charge through the congestion like he used to. Will come with time and half-decent selection policies.

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Grigg has a definite role to play here...was pleased with his game today..more of the Grigg of last season.

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We need to get this thread back on topic - its all about dumping on Yarran.
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By the way, I have no problem with either selection - isnt it the job of the coaching team to bring out the best of the players that have been recruited? No doubting the raw materials in either player, they just need to learn to do the things that will make them very good players.

We are in danger of becoming the new Ninthmond - in terms of both performance and supporter behaviour.

OK read everything in this post and here is my two cents ...

The facts:

We will not win the premiership this year, even if Yarran was capable of being a gun first year player like Rich.

I think everyone would agree our premiership window opens at the very earliest 2011 (this is Hawthorn optimistic!)

We are way too FEV focused to win a premiership at the moment ... history is my side here guys, so don't get ur knickers in a twist.

Best case scenario 2 years from now ......

FEV is still a 70 - 80 goal a year full forward. (very plausible for the next 4-5 years)

Krooze establishes himself as a good/gun CHF (very possible). With Setanta, maybe Austin (like him in defence) as possible replacements due to injury) ... AKA Depth

Together with any two to three of Betts, Yarran, Robbo, Garlett ... starting to sound pretty potent and way less FEV orientated

NOT EVEN MENTIONING WAITE OR WALKER!

Midfield, wings covered (Simmo, Waite) . Ruck Sause, Warnock etc (again best case scenario ... hopefully Warnock shows his potential)

Defence - Believe the core of our defence is settled now ... imagine what they will be like in 2 years? Use walker as the link man? Trade T-bird to Hawthorn ... get something else we need?

Anyway what I am trying to argue is that we have plenty of time to get Yarran where we all know he could be and if he gets there WOW.

Rich is a good player no doubting that but we have his skills in spades ... Yarran will fill a hole when our window opens which is much more important .....

And besides do we really want that freak man-child playing for us ... imagine him in the team photo or promoting membership ... numbers would definately be down!

I am happy with Yarran ... he will come good with a couple of preseasons behind him and at the time when we need him FFS he is 17!

Make the 8 this year 3-5 next, shake the tree the next 3-5 years.

YARRAN is definately part of that.

Leave the kid alone ... away from home and everything he knows at 17 is a difficult thing ... give him until this time next year and then see the magic start to happen.

He was definately worth the risk given our list, potential and window of opportunity for the next flag.

Think that was 2 bucks worth ... but there it is.

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As for getting this thread back on track, Yarran was a totally acceptable choice. Our most glaring deficiency last year was a medium size forward who could take a mark and kick multiple goals. Yarran was the player that best suited that requirement. Give him time.

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Most of you wouldn't have been at Carrarra for the debut game v Freo that Yarran played. So let me paint the picture for you. It was a dewy, wet night on that ground at the start of the match. Players from both sides were finding the ball too slick. Against that, Yarran handled the ball like he had been in the AFL for 10 years. It was silky smooth, and beautiful to watch. He'll be fine. He just needs time.

Also...............

he "spots up" as well as i've seen for a kid............!

just sublime.............!


kindest regards tommi

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Melvey, last year you were going on about us picking up a player with x factor. One that could light up the G. You said we had been drafting safe and it was time to find someone with spark. I agreed with you but now you are in a state of panic and are going back on your own idea. You have let me down.

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but i've also said that we need a gun inside footballer

and a CHF

and a player with the x-factor

in fact i remember saying just how far we have to when we have a list so long of deficiencies.

Dash off half back, a ball carrier, in and under midfielder, small forwards and a CHF.

..actually dude, i'm not bagging Yarran at all per-se, more the club's decision to draft him.. ..yarran didn't pick himself.. ..i understand he's bottom aged and has had an interrupted pre-season.. ..so he's got the first year up his sleeve to a certain point, but next year he needs to show something.. ..cos his position wasn't the biggest concern on our list..

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..also, i'm not targeting Yarran individually, but more any top ten pick that's non-kpp that takes a few years to come on.. ..now, when you consider not every player plays 10+yrs, and factor in how there's the chance of an interstate kid getting homesick and then you may not even have the luxury of time being on your side to get a top ten pick's worth out of said player.. ..plenty of interstate kids succumb to the go-home factor.. ..and honestly, i can't begrudge them that either..

..we wouldn't have got Juddy without the go-home factor so we can't complain if say the gibblet or yarran gets homesick down the track.. ..we'll have to like it and lump it if it happens unfortunately.. ..and sure, same could be said about Rich bein' an interstater, but at least he'd give good years of service before going home [if he ever does] much like juddy gave good service [great service/his best?] to the weagles.. ..i'd much rather get a good few yrs vs a player like say thompson just gettin' good at the dee's before goin' home to star for the crows..

..and yep, i agree last year we were whining about Fev kicking all our goals.. ..and well, not much has changed this year, though Garlett i reckon has helped Betts kick his career best tally [and counting] this year.. ..but we were also whining a lot about Juddy and Murphos gettin' crunched at every stoppage, this year we've finally seen fit to put Carrots in the middle with them.. ..but we've tried hadley and bentick over two years to provide the midfield grunt we lack and neither were good enough.. ..off our current list Carrots fits the bill best, but he's not strictly speaking the in and under gruntish type either.. ..just the best fit off our list..

..last year we also whined about kicking skills, or lack there-of.. ..rich fits the bill, but in this regard yarran does so [from what i've seen] though also from what i've seen rich has greater distance with accuracy..

..my main gripe is i feel it was too early to pick a yarran type considering how our current list is.. ..i honestly believe that yarran -should- become a v.good footballer, i'm just not sure about how long it will take.. ..and yes i know it's too early to call, but our list isn't good enough to provide us that luxury, and that's my main gripe..

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