On a similar theme to the "JR" thread, I'll leave these words here. Make of them what you will.

"Criticism is necessary and useful; it is often indispensable; but it can never take the place of action, or be even a poor substitute for it. The function of the mere critic is of very subordinate usefulness. It is the doer of deeds who actually counts in the battle for life, and not the man who looks on and says how the fight ought to be fought, without himself sharing the stress and the danger." - Theodore Roosevelt (1894)

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Its becoming very clear:

That this is a dumb thread.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Well.............we've won another game......and Fev kicked 9......so far so good I say.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

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JR stars again.

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The objective was finals and Ratten is 3 wins away from making the 8

Carlton has a favourable draw for the last 7 games - has challenged but not beaten many above us.

You'd think that he is almost there on the basis of wins and ladder position - but the final run home will be the test.

So how is the coaching achievement bar set?

List development should really be as important as wins and ladder position.

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Bagger probably = Dom and therefore = XXXXXX as far as the nay sayers say.

At the end of the day Pagan inherited a basket case and tried his way with generally poor results but imagine where we would be without Fev.

Ratten has inherited a potentialy talented list but is expected to turn them into the next Lions side within 5 minutes therefore he is a fail.

Oh well we won today but thats probably a step backwards becuase our kick ins wernt as good as Bitchmond and Ratts dared try something different that allowed the final margin to be reduced.

SYNBAD TALKS ABOUT SHEEP.

Tell me what does list development entail?

Tell me what does game based training entail?

Tell me does winning at all costs with a team that you have picked whilst the youngsters are left to spend time in the twos developing count or is playing SENIORS the only possible way of developing?

Where are you Synners?

Given we have not bowed to knee jerk reaction and bought Stevo and Co back yet not beated Bitchmond by a million you cant be too far away.

We have not improved.

Our improvement has come from the natural progression of talented and highly rated kids in Murph, Krooze, Gibbs and Bower. Judd and Fev get us over the line most weeks.

Where is our system going forward, where is our forward structure, WHAT IS OUR GAME PLAN??

Again we over used the handball to stationary players who then handball off to another stationary player. THATS RATTEN'S FAULT cause his direction of this hold on to possession style of play has created this putrid style of footy we play.

AND NOW HE'S TRYING TO CHANGE AND GET THE BOYS TO RUN when its to late. Our link up with handball has to be the worse in the leagues AGAIN WE HAVE NOT IMPROVED

Nathan Buckley said on 3AW that the Blues have a long way to go, Richmond a longer way to go.

My brother attending a luncheon during the week which Buckley was a guest of. Someone from his work (in discussion) asked Buckley of all teams which does he think has the most potential to which he replied Hawthorn and Essendon*.

GET RID OF RATTEN AND GET SOMEONE TO LEAD THIS CLUB THAT HAS SOME INKLING OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW ITS DONE

what do you mean its too @#$%&! late?

you wanted the change to running - ratten now does that and you say its too late?

you are whinging for the sake of it

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

..some of the teams above us are pies, lions, dawgs.. ..all of which we have beaten..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Its football, running is a fundamental part of modern day football. You should be running from the get go

You don't spend 300k a year on fitness guru to have the kids stand stationary or chip the ball backwards or sideways to maintain possession as instructed by our dumb (IMO) coach.

A preseason practicing keeping's off footy.

Another season wasted because our inept coach who is trying anything and everything cause he has no idea.

Coaching is in the main people managing.....Ratten has been accused of being soft and has decided to go the hard route by demoting Stevens and Scotland to send a message. Well tried theory with Dal Santo being dropped by Ross Lyon and then rebounding back...another attitude that had to be pulled into line was Alan Didak...Malthouse was under the pump but refused to play Didak and Shaw in the finals last year and could have took the easy route and sold Didaks troubled soul to another club but persisted and has Didak starring.....its those people managing skills that Ratten will be tested on,can Stevens and to a lesser degree Scotland be turned around and motivated into producing their A grade games on a consistent basis or will Stevens be shipped off in the draft.
This is my test for Brett Ratten....not game plans but how he manages his players and if he can do what these other coaches have done and motivate players like Nick Stevens to produce like Dal Santo and Didak are a the moment..

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huh?

you ok???
we won because of the same 2 players again.

not cos we knew what we were doing overall....

no im not far but i am allowed to have a dinner out right???

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beating Footscray Collingwood and Brisbane is fine - but then theres Adelaide St Kilda and Geelong (who we havent played yet) Id throw Essendon* in too - as they are in the 8 and have beaten us twice.

I recall Parkins A B and C grading of teams - The A graders win the premierships...


With most C and the D graders in the bottom 8 - We would struggle to be a B grade team, probably a good to very good C grader - on the basis of beating Footscray Collingwood and Brisbane.

In the overall scheme of things - Definately C grade on todays performance against Richmond. We got the job done but were pretty average...


So for me its a question of how effectively we can progress to playing like the B and then the A grade clubs. This is Ratten's challenge...

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Lets hope Ratts is up to it Nostradamus...more importantly what's the latest on the war in the ME scheduled for this year???...Any new developments?

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"Truth, for the tyrants, is the most terrible and cruel of all bindings; it is like an incandescent iron falling across their chests. And it is even more agonizing than hot iron, for that only burns the flesh, while truth burns its way into the soul"     — Lauro Aguirre

.....do some of you even re-read your posts??

Well if BUCKS said so then @#$%&! yeah we must be [REDACTED]....for gods sake

"We havent improved....followed by....natural progression from players"

Melvey is a laugh once you get de-sensitised to his negativity

From my point of view - We won a flag early after the appointment of a young coach with a very young team from a low spot in the final 8 at a time when there was a war - these are the basic circumstances.

2009 is still a possibility for this to occur - but the form of the side at the moment suggests that it wont happen.

The war that I am inclined to think is going to occur soon is some kind of uprising or civil disturbance in Iran or Iraq that changes the dynamics of the middle east in a very dramatic and far reaching way - making it even less stable than it is right now - which isnt all that stable anyway.

This war isnt a big one nor is it long - but it is pivotal to the future security of our oil supplies. It occurs suddenly and surprises most people.. It may also involve the coming to power of a new and highly dangerous Middle Eastern leader.

Others in the past have written and spoken of a middle Eastern leader who comes to power, quite likely in a violent way and has grand, expansionist ambitions. He is a person who uses 'Golden Tongued Treachery' to deceive and defeat the West.

This is the conflict that is the backdrop to Carlton's 17th flag.

However overarching all of this, and because the prediction of football is far more interesting and challenging thing than the prediction of world events - is the possibility that Ratten is not the young flag winning coach - but another one is - which is of course why I am interested in how they set the coach achievement bar for Brett and also how the last 7 games pan out.

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