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Warby
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:39 pm 
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lily of laguna wrote:
You are expecting the team to "surge" in improvement, what the hell are you on about???

As for the fluency you speak of, do you mean like the Doggies, Geelong or St kilda move the ball and play for each other, well how long have they been drilled by the same guy at the helm and how long have they played games together?

Get real Synbad, you're a little shy of the mark in your assessment of the 'game plan vs make up of the team' and your inability to make a fair comparison with the teams around our age, experience and length of time with the coach (except for Knights/Bombers which is admittedly very annoying and belittling but not something which is fixed by just getting rid of Ratts) shows you are just ranting.

Your constant talking down of the "boys club" and the coaching panel is kids stuff.


Great reference to Knight's Bomber improvement.......a young talented list backed by great and experienced bookends in Fletcher....aged 34......Lloyd....31.......and Scott Lucas at 32......we have no equivalents.

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lily of laguna
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:49 pm 
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Warby wrote:
lily of laguna wrote:
You are expecting the team to "surge" in improvement, what the hell are you on about???

As for the fluency you speak of, do you mean like the Doggies, Geelong or St kilda move the ball and play for each other, well how long have they been drilled by the same guy at the helm and how long have they played games together?

Get real Synbad, you're a little shy of the mark in your assessment of the 'game plan vs make up of the team' and your inability to make a fair comparison with the teams around our age, experience and length of time with the coach (except for Knights/Bombers which is admittedly very annoying and belittling but not something which is fixed by just getting rid of Ratts) shows you are just ranting.

Your constant talking down of the "boys club" and the coaching panel is kids stuff.


Great reference to Knight's Bomber improvement.......a young talented list backed by great and experienced bookends in Fletcher....aged 34......Lloyd....31.......and Scott Lucas at 32......we have no equivalents.


They also have a number of middle tier players which we are short on as well, Mcveigh, Mcphee, Lovett, Stanton, Watson to name some.

Look I think we have been shown up by the bombers, they had more intent and verve for some reason (they obviously lift when they play us too, why we dont do the same is baffling) but when the dust settles we will finish in front of them on the ladder this year and our dissappointment at being beaten by them will lessen.
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Kaptain Kouta
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lily of laguna wrote:
our dissappointment at being beaten by them will lessen.


Only when we smash those turds.

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lily of laguna
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
lily of laguna wrote:
our dissappointment at being beaten by them will lessen.


Only when we smash those turds.


Yeah that would also address the dissappointment :thumbsup:
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keogh
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Who would you want more
Jurrah or bentley

A no brainer
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Blue Vain
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keogh wrote:
Who would you want more
Jurrah or bentley

A no brainer


How is that relevant Keogh?
We couldn't get Jurrah so I fail to see the point.

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Wolfe
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Hahaha yer kind of like who would you want more Ablett Jnr or Bentley

What a stupid comment Jarrah or Bentley

lol

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baz_baz
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keogh wrote:
Who would you want more
Jurrah or bentley

A no brainer


I think I just saw some credibilty fly out the window :razz:

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Synbad
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I think Ratten would have to begin to get our players play a gameplan that is not reactive and has a semblence of fluency.
Players will have to learn to work as a unit.Not as a bunch of guys running around receiving handballs in static situations and looking sideways back and then turning it over as the mass forms into the space.

Koro you pointed to Setanta as a guy who has improved but only last year he was on the way out.... and Ratts didnt believe in him.
Bower has improved
Austin has improved.
Joseph has improved....

but really.. alot of them are treading water....and do we know with basically 4 or 5 players having improved that it is not inate improvement?

I want to see a surge in improvement individually and as a collective....
But they cant do this if the gameplan is a muddled mess...
You think Ratts will be the right coach.... but really... in your heart of hearts its 'HOPE'.. you dont believe it the way you believe Kreuzer will be an AFL gun though....

I think thats the difference,

We might believe Ratts would be the man if there were strides of improvement.. not 1 step forward 1 step back...

Remember the competition is attempting to improve also...



You are expecting the team to "surge" in improvement, what the hell are you on about???

As for the fluency you speak of, do you mean like the Doggies, Geelong or St kilda move the ball and play for each other, well how long have they been drilled by the same guy at the helm and how long have they played games together?

Get real Synbad, you're a little shy of the mark in your assessment of the 'game plan vs make up of the team' and your inability to make a fair comparison with the teams around our age, experience and length of time with the coach (except for Knights/Bombers which is admittedly very annoying and belittling but not something which is fixed by just getting rid of Ratts) shows you are just ranting.

Your constant talking down of the "boys club" and the coaching panel is kids stuff.


Hey! kicking the ball out after a point and finding a man open i would consider a "surge"at this stage.... :thumbsup:

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baz_baz
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Synbad wrote:
lily of laguna wrote:


You are expecting the team to "surge" in improvement, what the hell are you on about???

As for the fluency you speak of, do you mean like the Doggies, Geelong or St kilda move the ball and play for each other, well how long have they been drilled by the same guy at the helm and how long have they played games together?

Get real Synbad, you're a little shy of the mark in your assessment of the 'game plan vs make up of the team' and your inability to make a fair comparison with the teams around our age, experience and length of time with the coach (except for Knights/Bombers which is admittedly very annoying and belittling but not something which is fixed by just getting rid of Ratts) shows you are just ranting.

Your constant talking down of the "boys club" and the coaching panel is kids stuff.


Hey! kicking the ball out after a point and finding a man open i would consider a "surge"at this stage.... :thumbsup:


I think youll have to get something else to whinge about Synbad. The kick outs werent all that bad on Sunday and much better than some earlier games.

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Synbad
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I think youll have to get something else to whinge about Synbad. The kick outs werent all that bad on Sunday and much better than some earlier games.



You must be as proud as punch..... :thumbsup:

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4thchicken wrote:
it was actually mentioned during the coverage that we have one of the better kickout 'strategies'/success rates (ie in terms of % of kickouts converted to goals.

and in the freo game it was commented how well we setup from the boundary throwins to shark the opposition ruckman


Synbad read the comment above.

You are becomming more and more isolated in these views. Your mindset is so negative you cant see the wood for the tress.

Ratten is a work in progress, the side is a work in progress and any amount of complaining by you will not change "diddly squat"

Just give it up sport and move on :thumbsup:

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lucablue
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At the risk of discouraging free speach, can I suggest those of us that disagree with Synbads' views stop posting in this cancerous thread. After 38 pages, i reckon enough is enough..........
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Juddy&theKruezers
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lucablue wrote:
At the risk of discouraging free speach, can I suggest those of us that disagree with Synbads' views stop posting in this cancerous thread. After 38 pages, i reckon enough is enough..........


Mate if you dont like the thread and think all is well you are quite free to NOT post here and also quite free to start a thread called 'Ratts is the best thing since slice bread'...nobody has a gun to ur head...

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Mrs Caz
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how about we stop the ridiculing of others opinions..everyone is not right nor are they always wrong..


Perhaps you should all read the rules of the site before posting again.
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99prelim
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lucablue wrote:
At the risk of discouraging free speach, can I suggest those of us that disagree with Synbads' views stop posting in this cancerous thread. After 38 pages, i reckon enough is enough..........


We need to give this thread time, it's a work in progress. I mean, we've come from 38 pages back...that's a long way back. I know we'd all like instant consensus, but we have to realise that in any debate there'll be small victories and hiccups along the way. Not sure if all posters are articulating their thoughts at the level required. Maybe we need some fresh views so that we can 'run and carry' an idea to its conclusion, rather than going around in circles without an argumentative 'structure'. Just because we haven't written a thesis to Doctorate level doesn't mean we don't have the credibility to post here. Let's chill out, enjoy the ride as our window of consensus may occur in 2011-2013. By that stage, this thread may have gone to page 4500.
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I just hate that we're still in the bottom 4 Mrs Caz. After all this time down there, it's so damn depressing.

Oh what I'd give to have just one season as a top 8 side.
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Juddy&theKruezers
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Mrs Caz wrote:
how about we stop the ridiculing of others opinions..everyone is not right nor are they always wrong..


Perhaps you should all read the rules of the site before posting again.


Exactly!

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Mrs Caz
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99 prelim, I think your argument needs more work...


Oh..no hang on...was it sarcasm?
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