.....but like everybody else in this country... im accountable for my performances.... if i cant deliver i wont exist...

right???

molesy.. the more you believe youre coming from a long way back.. the more you believe you have an excuse.
The quicker the club becomes accountable for today .. the quicker its going to begin to move forward.

Were coming from along way back cos were still living in the seventies.
There is alot around the club thats still seventies....

Unless we begin to judge performances on todays standards... we will continue to live in a time warp... where the coach and his coaching are.. where the president is.. and where the carlton swagger can be found...

This is 2009... and as a matter of fact you cant even be aiming at 2009... but at 2010 and beyond cos if wwere aiming at 2009 everybody else will be at 2010 and ahead of us.

Funny how the world gets faster and faster and faster... and you just have to be ahead of the game to keep your nose ahead.

Abit like driving in Athens.. if youre not faster than everybody else youll end up in the chaotic Athens traffic rumble and tumble

Again, Synners, and keogh has been a strong advocate of this, we've not culled as hard as we've needed to.

but we're talking about issues of list management v. coaching v. recruiting. The failures of all do not fall at the feet oF ratten.

Look I get completely peeved watching us under some circumstances as well. Im not here to defend Ratten. my only intervention in this thread is to highlight that some cop-outs have historical merit.

We're coming from a long way back. We were easily the worst list in the comp and if it wasn't for the sheer mismanagement of Richmond, Melbourne and Freo, we'd look far worse than now.

You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig

You'd make a great coach bb.....of the local under 12's. Unfortunately, just like Ratten, you may be out of your depth as well.
Well drilled and structured teams are the 5% difference that separate teams at the elite level. Collingwood would be shithouse without Mick. His identifiable characteristics are what get the Maggies over the line much of the time. FFS, Clarko won a lucky flag last year on the back of a well drilled (albeit fad) gameplan. The gameplan placed enough perceived pressure on the Cats that they fell apart in the 2nd half.
Remember round 21 or 22 2000. The Bombers should have gone through the season undefeated but Terry Wallace was able to sell the Bulldogs his vision for how to beat the Dons. The players bought the vision and had confidence in the fact that if they followed the tactics they'd have a great chance of winning. They did, and inflicted the Bombers only loss for the season. All that other stuff like shepherd, block chase, etc is assumed knowledge. Yes, sometimes players need to be reprogrammed when they develpo bad habits, but in today's football, it will not get you to the upper echelon.

Yeah we were crap.....

.... now we are semi crap....

.... took us 7 years to still not have a gameplan.... not block and shepherd... not tackle...not to protect the ball carrier... not to find a way to get inside 50 cleanly.... etc etc etc...

im frustrated...

do i believe ratts has the most out of our list? no
do i believe our players are individuially playing to the best of their ability?... mostly not..
do i believe we have worked into a sustainable gameplan?.. no..
do i believe ratten is the best man we can have for the job? no..
do i believe we have a good mix of coaches ? no

just call me a negative...

but i truly think we have the wrong formula...right throughout...

You'd still date it though.....

These throw away lines of yours synbad crack me up.. you're comparing your accountability to an AFL coach?!?! Right??? And you compare the accountability of "everyone else in this country" to that of ann AFL coach. Sometimes, I reckon you just type on your keyboard for the sake of it.

There aren't too many people in this country who are more accountable to performance than an AFL coach. And Brett Ratten is no different believe it or not. If he does not achieve measurable success this year & next year, he loses his job. No-one is arguing that should not be the case. What some of us are arguing here is that it's not the time to be calling for his head.

It's not all about you Synbad!!!

Molesy continue with the excuses and youll end up further and further behind...

Cos while youre trying to catch up to todsay in your own head... other teams are leaping into the future.

Every day and every second is an opportunity to carve something up for the present...

Were missing those opportunities cos were treading water....

Its not that hard to end up like the next Richmond...terrible decisions... and living in the past....

Excuses excuses excuses...

Pathetic really...

Especially if you think im saying we should win the flag this year...

A gameplan and a kick out will do./

Having players improve individuaally and as a group will do.

The rest is the biggest amount of bullshyte .....

Nah, that's all rubbish. It's not reality, its a management consulting doctrine.

You'd still date it though.....

Why am i not accountable as Ratts?

Wanna explain???

Why am i not accountable as Ratts?

Wanna explain???

im frustrated...

do i believe ratts has the most out of our list? no
do i believe our players are individuially playing to the best of their ability?... mostly not..
do i believe we have worked into a sustainable gameplan?.. no..
do i believe ratten is the best man we can have for the job? no..
do i believe we have a good mix of coaches ? no

just call me a negative...

but i truly think we have the wrong formula...right throughout...

I'm quite flattered Belisarius.....You've picked up on 3 of my previous quotes and proceeded to discredit them with your opinion. That's fine....It's an opinion website.
BTW
15 years ago, being critical of Carlton was part of the supporters setting high expectations. In 2009, it means we're eating our own, we're negative etc etc etc
15 years ago, coaches had to held accountable for their actions. In 2009, we wrap them up in cotton wool and do not dare question their methodology
15 years ago, any loss justified as you walked out of the ground was instantly howled down. In 2009, cop outs are delivered in a perfectly rehearsed script format
Fom Ruthless to toothless
2010 or bust for Ratts