Actually you can say its the mutzah ball makers......................

And dont go hanging it on the fish n chip operators they have been feeding this country for generations...

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So have the milk bar owners.

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Its hard following your logic but let me attempt to..

Youre saying Pratt (The man that wanted to go out and buy both Pavlich and Judd "ill buy both of them"is in a position to judge Rattens coaching abilities.
2 Youre saying that Swann would have hired Ratten without a process even if he was at say Richmond or North or West Coast or Collingwood???

Let me throw a scenario at you.......

There is a block of Carlton people who convinced Swann to take Ratts.. blah blah blah.....
He does... knowing if it went belly up Pratt can fix it...

Then Pratt dies... so Swann is left holding the baby cos the block wont fix anything.

Supposing Swan now thinks he needs some new people on the board to break the 'Carlton Boy Block Mentality'... and bring in people who will steady the equilibrium...

Supposing the Block of Carlton people say "Nope... we did the hard work.... why should someone else come in?"
Supposing in Pratts absence there is a lack of disregard to fundamentals both on and off the field... and things are slowly beginning to slip... (Pratts not around remember.. and the boys club becomes more clubby than it was before....

Supposing im telling the truth.....

Or you can suppose im bullshitting!!!

Either way im throwing something up out there.....

And as for the whiteant comment... thats ridiculous!!!

Everybody loves the club... its all about whats best for the club.....

A culture from the 70s and 80s or a culture that will determine who we will recreate ourselves into going forward...

Ratts is a by product of the overall problem....

Now you think about how the club was being steadied prior to Pratts passing on and since...

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No what I am saying is that I fail to believe that a self made billionaire would throw his money behind something on the advice of a old boys club that didn't know what they were doing.

See being critical of Sticks and Ratts you are in turn saying that a group of guys managed to con an old man out of a lot of money to feather their own nest and look after themselves

I am saying you don't become that rich being that stupid . If Pratt thinks that Sticks is the right man and put his faith in him - I would say their is a fair chance that Sticks is the right man - I have had dealings with Visy for some 15 odd years and I haven't met a person in senior management there yet that wasn't totally on top of his job

They were playing with Pratts money and reputation - I fail to be even slightly convinced that Sticks and others have the agenda you think they have and they are not as incompetent as you are suggesting

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Please don't put words in my mouth. I have heard nothing about any issues. Read my post again and you will see that I have said no such thing. I simply asked Synbad a question. Synbad obviously thinks there are issues so I asked what makes his people any more reliable than those in charge.

Nothing more nothing less.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

There are issues and you know it.

Just the mere fact that there seem to be 2 sides within the club

"synbads people" and "ratts people" for lack of better description

is enough for huge concern

regardless of which side is right or not

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

how about the players

i lumped them in with synbads people

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

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There are no smoke and mirrors or divisions at Carlton just issues that confront every club:

Stephen Kernahan would step aside as President if the appropriate person with the corporate connections was willing to take on the role. I don't believe anyone has put up there hand. Is Ahmed Farhad (spelling) even a paid up member?. Stick answered the clubs call. He is well aware of his limitations

We have a lack of "football people on the board" We need one or two football people (Walls, Ashman, McClure). A cool head when major football decisions are made. Again I am sure no current board members would be against them joining or being voted in as replacements. We need them to stand. Hopefully media roles wont compromise the possibility.

Coaching- Swan/board won't let things lie.
They have two clear options to surround Ratten with top notch assistants (Silvagni-defence, and another for match day tactics) or go the blitzkrieg option and get a roos or mathews.

Do I have any sources no. Have I spoken to board members over the past 2 years yes. I have faith they know the realities of AFL football and will make good decisions post season.

OMG - there is a "block of Carlton people" on the Board . Quick we need some non-Carlton people!

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The club needs to get rid of Ratten and get..........

Mark Williams as senior coach. Under him Buckley, Hardwick or even Dean Laidley.

Imagine..........

Mark Williams, Nathan Buckley, Damien Hardwick/Dean Laidley in charge of our boys

compared to

Brett Ratten, Mark Riley, Brent Montogomery and Craig Bradley.

Good post Michael J - fully agree. I also do know two Board members I frequently run into and chat. My impression is the same as yours.

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From todays Age:

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