So where will the objective critical analysis of our coaching come from.......some two bit "review" at the end of the season????? Just like players get reviewed every week with the goal of improvement and development, why should the coaches be exxonerated from this process. As I said before, the model that I articulated above was one of continous reflection and analysis for the sake of development, not as a punitive tool. just makes good organisational sense.

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99Prelim, what makes you think this isn't the case? I'll go out on a limb (or maybe not!) and say Ratts is not only growing with the group but also learning the caper himself, as a manager and as a tactician, all in the one breath. With Riley, Monty, Harvey amongst others, I'm assuming he's getting critical feedback into his progress- it's not like he would not be immune to their thoughts and critical anaylsis. The question has to be asked: is a staggered review more appropriate for Ratten, given he's under review from the players, the media and from the supporters? I like your concept of an positional review in an organisational context; however, the CFC is no ordinary organisation (as are the other 15 AFL clubs).

Let's not forget Ratts' been in the big chair for 18 months and he's done an admirable job balancing the growing maturity of a young, talented group emerging from a very dark period in the club's history, along with a developing game plan. So, have faith- we'll get there.

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All coaches would love a gameplan that worked even when the team isnt showing any ticker.
With maturity and experience our bowl will display it on a more consistant basis. For now its ups and downs. Enjoy.

How many under 22's played in the cats v saints game yesterday?

Wouldnt you be happy to0 have the numbers in the midfield so we get our hands on the ball first???
Why would you be happier to have the numbers in our defence and not the midfield????

If we have more through the midfield wouldnt we be in a better position to have more of the ball therefore have more inside 50s and less pressure down back????

Guus Hiddink worked on having the pressure on the oppositions defence so you have less pressure on yours... which means less opportunity to score against you....
So he upped how many forwards Australia played with and organised the defence.
We played a similar style...

Too many defenders.. cos we didnt have confidence in the defence.... so he used more attacking midfielders and extra forwards to make them worry about attacking too much....
What he did was streamline the defence and drilled it to be more efficient.. and had the bulk of the mass in the midfield .. with an attacking mindset.. and also to go back and help out in defence....

Australia were bloody unlucky in that World Cup...

He does this with all his teams...

The best form of defence is attack...!!

We do the opposite with a number of talls in defence and play with a massive amount of stoppers...so we cannot attack and pressurise..

I know it is football and this is Aussie rules.... but its the same thing....

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From what I've seen, improvement has only been organic, it doesn't appear to have come from any positive intervention.

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Whats that got to do with how we play???

A much younger team with a gameplan won a flag last year against a much more seasoned and bigger body side...

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We cant afford to have Ratts growing 'from ground zero'.....

We need a guy that will guide the kids expertly...

As a matter of fact a gun young kids father is livid with the way some of our kids are exposed in the fight.. and how there is little cover and help..

If you think we can afford to have a guy wet behind the ears not drilling them to work and support each other with blocks and screens as well as commitment.. you have your head in the sand....!!!!

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Maybe we could get Parko back for a 3rd stint?
Or Wallsy for a 2nd?
Even Jezza for a 3rd?

Not Pagan though... he shouldn't even be allowed to attend our games or even watch us on TV.

200g of flour, 3 eggs, a cup of milk, stir with a spoon.... recipe for pancakes!

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The impression I got from the commentary was that we moved a couple of extra back after Freo scored 3 or 4 goals. The way I saw it, we were getting slaughtered out of the centre bounce and could have had 15 playing ‘midfield’, but they hardly stood a chance.

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When we played with ticker we looked good...apart form our converting in the third. Our opposition struggled to get it past halfway. Bigger mature bodies and minds will see us playing like that more consistantly against better opposition.

Hawks did well last year. Got the miracle flag. If a miracle is what you are after then i agree i dont reckon Ratts is your man.

I notice your'e not prepared to give Bwittain another go

1 bottomless cup of coffee, 8 excited supporters, an innercity hotel, a carlton reject and his girlfriend and icecreams for opposition fans at the game = recipe for a nightmare that I still can't shake.
PS. regards from Powell, Sholl and Athorn

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I agree and this season I'm only judging Ratten on the aim he set and that was finals. But you have to admit there are some major question marks over our match day strategies and his ability to inspire the players to perform consistently.

The obvious issue being the apparent lack of any strategy at all. Also we were a 5 minute here and a 5 minute there burst team last year and we still are. This is where Ratts has not shown anything at all so far and in the end this is what will determine his longevity.

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Its hilarious isnt it?

Because we were getting smashed out of the centre. That had nothing to do with numbers. You can only have 4 players in the square.
If we gained the ascendency or at least broke even, then you can play the game on your terms and push your players up the ground.
I'm not here to defend Ratts at all costs. He makes some decisions that puzzle me and his ability to honestly analyse his own performance appears to be lacking, however we stemmed the flow and neutralised Freos ascendancy. It was the correct decision IMO.

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Loved Ratts as a player - one of my all time favourites.

But we're all big boys here.

Couple of questions...

1) If Ratts was say Hardwick or Longmire, would we be being so loyal to him?

2) 2 years ago we wanted Voss over Ratts. Voss became unavailable so we took Ratts. Buckley is most likely rated better than everyone rated Voss at the time we offered Voss the gig. Now Buckley is available (and would probably jump at Carlton over Richmond or North).

So, the question is, has Ratts shown enough in 18 months to suggest that he should have been rated ahead of Voss two years ago? The answer is clearly no. So now that someone with even better credentials than Voss (when we went after him) is available, by Carlton's own priority (ie Voss over Ratts) we should be targeting him.

Can Sticks make the hard call? He finally did it with Elliot now back it up with Buckley... it's the right thing to do ... sorry Ratts but as Dick said, go get the best man whether he's available or not, however in this case it's a whole lot easier becasue he happens to be avaialble.

Get Buckley.

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Whether its Buckley or not, the question at years end needs to be will Ratts get us to No.17 based on his performance in two seasons? IMO he won't. But my opinion will not lead to change as much as the opinion of those in power. Will Sticks and co. see it that way? I reckon Swann may, but how much say will he have in the matter?

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I'm tipping Ratts did not instruct his players to be second to the ball for the first 20 mins of the game.

Without endevour from the players no coach looks good.

Clarkson was next to God in the coaches box last year. His players loose a little endevour and who wants him now......

Too much crap heaped on caoches and not enough on poorly performing players.

Ratts is fine.

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Wouldnt you be happy to0 have the numbers in the midfield so we get our hands on the ball first???
Why would you be happier to have the numbers in our defence and not the midfield????

If we have more through the midfield wouldnt we be in a better position to have more of the ball therefore have more inside 50s and less pressure down back????
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Because we were getting smashed out of the centre. That had nothing to do with numbers. You can only have 4 players in the square.
If we gained the ascendency or at least broke even, then you can play the game on your terms and push your players up the ground.
I'm not here to defend Ratts at all costs. He makes some decisions that puzzle me and his ability to honestly analyse his own performance appears to be lacking, however we stemmed the flow and neutralised Freos ascendancy. It was the correct decision IMO.[/quote]


BV the whole of the 30 minutes in the first quarter was not played in the centre square with bounces.

Thats about 1.20 seconds...

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Why would you want to go and get Buckley ??????

He is an untried, inexperienced senior coach !!!!!

Just like Ratten, Buckley was a great player , BUT can he actually coach,,,,,,a lot of people were rapped when we signed Ratten up as a coach but now the same people are starting to doubt if he is the right man to get the job done.

Do you take the chance and dump Ratten for Buckley and in 18 months time, we will be in the same situation we are in now, unsure if Buckley is the right man.

If we get another coach lets go after the BEST expirienced coach going around !!!!!!!!

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Hawthorn wanted him last year... he won a flag... we talk when we win one.
Ratts gets Clarkson credibility when he wins one...

Hawthorn have had much more of an interrupted season than we have.
And of course the human psyche will seduce you to relax aafter climbing Everest.

You cannot compare Ratts to Clarkson... its laugable to attempt to

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