Its becoming very clear that Ratts is not the man IMO...

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:39 pm

I still think if you take Judd's name off our list then there wouldn't be a follower of football that would think we could make the eight .

Every single team in the competition knows it so they rotate half dozen players on Judd each week basically rendereing him useless- Welsh attack on Judd last week should have earned Judd a free kick at every contest - HJe simply didn't look at the ball

Murph - 1-2 more years
Gibbs 2-3 more years
Kruez 3-4 more years

Thats how far away we are from the Fab Four

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

Sydney Blue wrote:

I still think if you take Judd's name off our list then there wouldn't be a follower of football that would think we could make the eight .

Every single team in the competition knows it so they rotate half dozen players on Judd each week basically rendereing him useless- Welsh attack on Judd last week should have earned Judd a free kick at every contest - HJe simply didn't look at the ball

Murph - 1-2 more years
Gibbs 2-3 more years
Kruez 3-4 more years

Thats how far away we are from the Fab Four

How do Geelong protect Ablett. Are they geniuses?

Effes · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:52 pm

Walls asked Andrew Welsh on 3AW today what the protection of Judd was like by his fellow midfielders compared to other teams.

Welsh replied saying that Carlton's midfield didn't do as much to protect their gun midfielder as other teams did and that it was relatively easy to limit his impact at the stoppages because there was no blocking/bumping/niggling.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:52 pm

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

I still think if you take Judd's name off our list then there wouldn't be a follower of football that would think we could make the eight .

Every single team in the competition knows it so they rotate half dozen players on Judd each week basically rendereing him useless- Welsh attack on Judd last week should have earned Judd a free kick at every contest - HJe simply didn't look at the ball

Murph - 1-2 more years
Gibbs 2-3 more years
Kruez 3-4 more years

Thats how far away we are from the Fab Four

How do Geelong protect Ablett. Are they geniuses?

Who in our current line up is capable of protecting Judd

We don't have a Ling or Bartel or Corey or Selwood or Rooke or a Chapman in this line up

Who is going to do it Gibbs Murph - Simpson -Stevens Russell Betts Houlihan

The only two capable of doing it are Wiggins and Hadley and both are battliing form at the moment

What Judd needs in this side is Kouta - because he has taken over his role in the team

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:55 pm

Effes wrote:

Walls asked Andrew Welsh on 3AW today what the protection of Judd was like by his fellow midfielders compared to other teams.

Welsh replied saying that Carlton's midfield didn't do as much to protect their gun midfielder as other teams did and that it was relatively easy to limit his impact at the stoppages because there was no blocking/bumping/niggling.

thus the selection of Bentley and Russell - I will bet both of them are given jobs to block and chop out tomorrow

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

I still think if you take Judd's name off our list then there wouldn't be a follower of football that would think we could make the eight .

Every single team in the competition knows it so they rotate half dozen players on Judd each week basically rendereing him useless- Welsh attack on Judd last week should have earned Judd a free kick at every contest - HJe simply didn't look at the ball

Murph - 1-2 more years
Gibbs 2-3 more years
Kruez 3-4 more years

Thats how far away we are from the Fab Four

How do Geelong protect Ablett. Are they geniuses?

They have a few other players they can use as "playmakers" - including a Brownlow winner - which makles tagging Ablett far more difficult. He also has his speed and is not an in and under player. The whole team is class with big hardened bodies.....

Just shows that posters here wont be happy until the team is as good as Geelong. Cazz is so right- its not long ago that Saints supporters would have posted exactly the same things about Lyon. I cant stand armchair coaches.....

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

mikkey wrote:

How do Geelong protect Ablett. Are they geniuses?

They have a few other players they can use as "playmakers" - including a Brownlow winner - which makles tagging Ablett far more difficult. He also has his speed and is not an in and under player. The whole team is class with big hardened bodies.....

Just shows that posters here wont be happy until the team is as good as Geelong. Cazz is so right- its not long ago that Saints supporters would have posted exactly the same things about Lyon. I cant stand armchair coaches.....[/quote]

Mate my point wasn't that we should be as good as Geelong. The point was that there isnt even a sign of a plan to block or support Judd in any way. Do you get the difference? I know we are nowhere near where Geelong are.

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6429

Cazzeman
If your out there please respond to me :cry:

If its not about the fiuture of the CFC then Dream Theater's latest

Tracs 1 and 6 are are quite good

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

Effes wrote:

Walls asked Andrew Welsh on 3AW today what the protection of Judd was like by his fellow midfielders compared to other teams.

Welsh replied saying that Carlton's midfield didn't do as much to protect their gun midfielder as other teams did and that it was relatively easy to limit his impact at the stoppages because there was no blocking/bumping/niggling.

So what are the coaches doing about it then. SweetFA would be my answer.

baz_baz · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am **Posts:** 2000

Quote:

Who in our current line up is capable of protecting Judd

We don't have a Ling or Bartel or Corey or Selwood or Rooke or a Chapman in this line up

Who is going to do it Gibbs Murph - Simpson -Stevens Russell Betts Houlihan

The only two capable of doing it are Wiggins and Hadley and both are battliing form at the moment

What Judd needs in this side is Kouta - because he has taken over his role in the team

Every player in the side is capable of blocking and sheparding. Its called playing for each other

camel · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:09 pm

Excellent point baz_baz. :thumbsup:

Having said that, you get the impression that Grigg, Joseph, Robinson, Waite and Walker, to name a few, are generally pretty willing to throw themselves around.

We just need to get a few more games into the younger ones and get the older ones fit.

baz_baz · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am **Posts:** 2000

camelboy wrote:

Excellent point baz_baz. :thumbsup:

Having said that, you get the impression that Grigg, Joseph, Robinson, Waite and Walker, to name a few, are generally pretty willing to throw themselves around.

We just need to get a few more games into the younger ones and get the older ones fit.

Absolutely........When good sides play for each other every one pushes that extra 2 meteres to the contest to cover. Thats what I like about Bower, he led the 1% ers last week. When the younger boys get his work ethic a lot of the users will get more natural protection.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:48 pm

keogh wrote:

IMO Johnson isnt good enough
IMO Bentley isnt good enough
They have shown that in their AFL careers

Their form in the Bullants wasnt as good as Ellards and Andersons form
yet they are picked ahea of these 2

Why

What is Ratten's reasoning given he has the final say in selection

Now Cazzeman this question is directed at you
Rather than going on with me being overally negative
or that I am not involved with the club and havent coached or played as many games as Ratten so I dont have a !@#$%& clue
do you think its a good decision to play these 2 spuds over 2 guys who havent been given an opportunity this year but show potential.
Rattens reasoning IMO is that with Stevo and Scotland out he doesnt want too many immature bodies out there.

Thoughts

No idea. I guess the MC have a different opinion. Maybe your thoughts about the 'Why' might be on the money.

Regards Cazzesman

Koro · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:37 am

Effes wrote:

Walls asked Andrew Welsh on 3AW today what the protection of Judd was like by his fellow midfielders compared to other teams.

Welsh replied saying that Carlton's midfield didn't do as much to protect their gun midfielder as other teams did and that it was relatively easy to limit his impact at the stoppages because there was no blocking/bumping/niggling.

That is just not good enough. Even if we don't have the big bodied midfielders there to throw around, players can still get in the taggers way, niggle them and rotate through knocking them around.

We only have to look at Hawthorn to see what difference playing for each other and a bit of aggression does, and what happens when you don't.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Effes wrote:

Walls asked Andrew Welsh on 3AW today what the protection of Judd was like by his fellow midfielders compared to other teams.

Welsh replied saying that Carlton's midfield didn't do as much to protect their gun midfielder as other teams did and that it was relatively easy to limit his impact at the stoppages because there was no blocking/bumping/niggling.

That's actually quite damning and is proof there is something missing in the process.

The way we play today will speak volumes of where we're truly at.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:57 am

we only know how to play a poor keepings off game,.

Thats what we trained for thats what we do.

Were lacking in so many areas we should understand by now.

Today is a big day.

Go Blues!!

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:04 am

Cazzesman wrote:

Current Coaches

Adelaide FC – The Crows
Neil Craig

Brisbane Lions FC
Michael Voss.

Carlton FC – The Blues
Brett Ratten

Collingwood FC – The Magpies
Mick Malthouse

Essendon* FC – The Bombers
Matthew Knights

Fremantle FC – The Dockers
Mark Harvey

Geelong FC – The Cats
Mark (Bomber) Thompson.

Hawthorn FC – The Hawks
Alastair Clarkson

Kangaroos FC
Dean Laidley - Gone

Melbourne FC – The Demons
Dean Bailey

Port Adelaide FC – Port Power
Mark (Choco) Williams

Richmond FC – The Tigers
Terry Wallace - Gone

St. Kilda FC – The Saints
Ross Lyon

Sydney Swans FC
Paul Roos

West Coast Eagles FC
John Worsfold

Western Bulldogs FC
Rodney (Rocket) Eade

Add - Sheedy, Pagan, Thomas, Mathews, Barassi and Hafey,

Almost every one of these guys, to a man, have Coached or are coaching bottom teams in their careers. All have had supporters calling for their heads on a stick.

I suspect all those supporters have claimed the Coach has no direction, no game plan and no flippin idea. The large majority of those named have gone on to have great success along the way. Ratts will just be another in a long line who will get it right given time and patience, regardless of what some think at the moment.

Regards Cazzesman

Almost each one of those coaches had a solid apprentiship somewhere...

The problem is this coach has us treading water or going backwards in may areas after 41 games...AND he is underqualified...

There is a difference between a coach who has had a grounding and a coach who hasnt...

AND remember this....there are a heap more coaches who have failed than succeeded.....

So the odds are slim for a coach to begin with...

Watson Bartlett Stewart Frawley Rhode Connelly Thomas Wallace Ayers ..etc etc etc.... all failed... all had people thinking they had no idea at some stage as well....

Most had a grounding before coaching...

baz_baz · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am **Posts:** 2000

Synbad wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Current Coaches

Adelaide FC – The Crows
Neil Craig

Brisbane Lions FC
Michael Voss.

Carlton FC – The Blues
Brett Ratten

Collingwood FC – The Magpies
Mick Malthouse

Essendon* FC – The Bombers
Matthew Knights

Fremantle FC – The Dockers
Mark Harvey

Geelong FC – The Cats
Mark (Bomber) Thompson.

Hawthorn FC – The Hawks
Alastair Clarkson

Kangaroos FC
Dean Laidley - Gone

Melbourne FC – The Demons
Dean Bailey

Port Adelaide FC – Port Power
Mark (Choco) Williams

Richmond FC – The Tigers
Terry Wallace - Gone

St. Kilda FC – The Saints
Ross Lyon

Sydney Swans FC
Paul Roos

West Coast Eagles FC
John Worsfold

Western Bulldogs FC
Rodney (Rocket) Eade

Add - Sheedy, Pagan, Thomas, Mathews, Barassi and Hafey,

Almost every one of these guys, to a man, have Coached or are coaching bottom teams in their careers. All have had supporters calling for their heads on a stick.

I suspect all those supporters have claimed the Coach has no direction, no game plan and no flippin idea. The large majority of those named have gone on to have great success along the way. Ratts will just be another in a long line who will get it right given time and patience, regardless of what some think at the moment.

Regards Cazzesman

Almost each one of those coaches had a solid apprentiship somewhere...

The problem is this coach has us treading water or going backwards in may areas after 41 games...AND he is underqualified...

There is a difference between a coach who has had a grounding and a coach who hasnt...

AND remember this....there are a heap more coaches who have failed than succeeded.....

So the odds are slim for a coach to begin with...

Watson Bartlett Stewart Frawley Rhode Connelly Thomas Wallace Ayers ..etc etc etc.... all failed... all had people thinking they had no idea at some stage as well....

Most had a grounding before coaching...

So you wouldn't have Buckley, Voss, Matthews, Blight, Sheedy who all went directly into or are about to go directly into coaching?

PFFFFT

Melvey · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:22 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

Who in our current line up is capable of protecting Judd

SHAUN GRIGG is the answer

Princes Park Whistler · **Posted:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:30 pm

Melvey wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

Who in our current line up is capable of protecting Judd

SHAUN GRIGG is the answer

Throw in Walker and Robbo as well.

Its becoming very clear that Ratts is not the man IMO...

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