Who will be the Next Carlton President??

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

It comes down to who and what THE BOARD voted for ..and I'm sure Sticks carried a lot of weight with the other board members.

Swanny no doubt has a major input but who knows how the board votes .. :cool:

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Synbad wrote:

club29 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

club29 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

club29 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

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Yeah, super naive attitude thinking Sticks has little influence.
Look at who he is surrounded with... all his teammates.

Ratten was appointed by his mates and given an extension on 'not a hell of alot of reason' by them too.

I would bet my bottom dollar Ratten wouldnt have been coach if Swann was at another club looking for a coach and away from the 'influence'.....

Not that i could prove that mind you.... but you dont have to prove it if youre fair dinkum...

You are most likely right. But if Ratts was assistant at that club and Pagan was coach running the team into the ground and Swann had seen Ratts at work i reckon he would have been in with a pretty good chance.

I cant prove it either.

So you think that while Pagan was a dinosaur .. in a few games Swann saw enoughj from Ratten doing remarkable stuff behind Pagans back that he thought to himself ... "I dont need anyone else...This must be our man!!"... and then a half a season in.. on a 2 year contract... he again saw so much in Ratts that he was worried Ratts would get poached.. and again thought to himself... "Yeppers there is another 2 years extension right there.. brilliant stuff..."

Swann wouldnt be able to prove that either... :lol:

No that is not what i am saying but i am fair dinkum.

Ok i know what youre saying.. youre saying Sticks was not responsible and Swann was responsible for the amateur hours selection and extension???

Well if thats the case were in more trouble then i thought...!!

Pratt wanted the best so he got Swann. So we agree Swann is the best. Would the best be involved with a decision or a club that made decisions the way you have dreamt up it being made.

I think i know what you are saying. you are saying you know more about football clubs than Swann. You are saying you know more about footy than Rattan. You are saying you know more about running an organisation than Richard Pratt ....????

It doesnt bother me at all if you do think that but you have to accept that i dont think you do.

Pratt wanted the bestCEO so wanted Cook...settled for Swann
The club wanted Voss but settled for Ratts...(no real process for either mind you)
Club needs Pratt but due to legal wranggles a illness and his eventual passing on... settled for Sticks

Which leads to not too many processes going on at the club....Teague(kids at the Bullies).. Lappin (forward line coach)

.. and im not saying i know more about footy clubs than Swann... but i know enough about the club culture to know Swann would be led by the 'Boys Club'..that exists.... as would Reilly and Montgomery... and they would have to try and fit in...

But there is a hell of alot of settling going on at the Blues...

Probably a fair summary of events.....extending Rattens contract wasnt smart and the boys club mentaility with Sticks as the head boy must be a tad frustrating for Greg Swann to work with and improve the club...

murraycray · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:52 pm

Sticks took the job on ''temporarily'', with a view to stepping aside if Dick was able to return.

I'd be amazed if Sticks plans on staying in the chair long term.

I expect him to vacate the post at seasons end and the post to be filled by Newton, Fahour , Grollo
or whoever.
Not much point in Sticks bailing mid season is there ?

Melvey · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:56 pm

Didn't sticks say that he'll be president for as long as the Pratt family are involved with the club.

The problem is that who ever becomes president can't get the old Elliot crew offside. Maybe some don't realise how much power Elliot has at the club

murraycray · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:07 pm

Melvey wrote:

Didn't sticks say that he'll be president for as long as the Pratt family are involved with the club.

The problem is that who ever becomes president can't get the old Elliot crew offside. Maybe some don't realise how much power Elliot has at the club

I believe HAD to be the operative word.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:41 pm

GodisNavyBlue wrote:

Just on Sticks, at the start of the game on Friday they showed Sticks sitting behind Ratts in the coaches box and I thought to myself that I used to ridicule the Filth for Eddie sitting in the box behind Mick.

As president, he should get the hell out of there.... cannot remember the last time I saw Dick Pratt in the coaches box

I'm with you. :yikes:

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:44 pm

The thing is about Sticks in the box.. is why is he there?
Surely if thry needed another head in the box .. they would go pay for a professional and not another amateur head in the box...
Surely if its about getting a closer look they can get Icke in there for that.

There is no reason for Sticks to be in thaat box.. whether its as board member or prez.

He is muddling up roles

club29 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:12 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Pratt wanted the bestCEO so wanted Cook...settled for Swann
The club wanted Voss but settled for Ratts...(no real process for either mind you)
Club needs Pratt but due to legal wranggles a illness and his eventual passing on... settled for Sticks

Which leads to not too many processes going on at the club....Teague(kids at the Bullies).. Lappin (forward line coach)

.. and im not saying i know more about footy clubs than Swann... but i know enough about the club culture to know Swann would be led by the 'Boys Club'..that exists.... as would Reilly and Montgomery... and they would have to try and fit in...

But there is a hell of alot of settling going on at the Blues...

Probably a fair summary of events.....extending Rattens contract wasnt smart and the boys club mentaility with Sticks as the head boy must be a tad frustrating for Greg Swann to work with and improve the club...

Rubbish that summary is just guess work. Just ideas that evolve in Synbads mind then come out as fact after a loss when some are a little vulnerable. I am not saying i know anything but i dont just dream things up and pass them off as fact.

murraycray · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:18 pm

Synbad wrote:

The thing is about Sticks in the box.. is why is he there?
Surely if thry needed another head in the box .. they would go pay for a professional and not another amateur head in the box...
Surely if its about getting a closer look they can get Icke in there for that.

There is no reason for Sticks to be in thaat box.. whether its as board member or prez.

He is muddling up roles

Synbad, I take your point that the club president shouldn't be in the coaching box. But to refer to Kernahan as an amateur when it comes to how the game is played, has confused the bejesus out of me.

For the past 2 1/2 decades I thought Sticks had a few clues on how the game was played.

Guess I was wrong ?

don't think so

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:44 pm

You can't compare Sticks ability to contribute in the coaches box or make a judgement on the goings on in there to that of Eddie.

They clearly have different abilities ans skills as presidents.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:46 pm

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Rubbish that summary is just guess work. Just ideas that evolve in Synbads mind then come out as fact after a loss when some are a little vulnerable. I am not saying i know anything but i dont just dream things up and pass them off as fact.

That did just get conjured up in your mind.. what are you talking about???

And of course im right...and im pretty sure at some stage it will be under the microscope...

Its pretty close now...

Lose to Freo and we will be a laughing stock.. Ratts "Carlton swagger" will have evaporated.. and the whole thing will be shown up as the sham it was...

Unless you can illustrate what Ratten had done to earn himself a two x two year coaching deal at Carlton... with the extension coming in a few weeks into a rather uneventful first year ... on the back of zero out of 6 wins...caretaking role...

Its ludicrous...

Care to explain how its not ludicrous??? :smoking:

Im looking forward to your synopsis... im waiting... :thumbsup:

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For the past 2 1/2 decades I thought Sticks had a few clues on how the game was played.

Guess I was wrong ?

If you think that it was a good idea to bring in O'Reilly... you were right...1!!!

Timmy Watson..Kevin Bartett.... Danny Frawley... all very good to football legends in their own right..... didnt get footy as coaches did they??

Sticks was a CHF.... but if you have EVER spoken to Sticks... youd understand he has no clue about the modern game.
He has a dinosaur mentality...

AND....his judgement is questionable... even if his loyalty to his mates has never been questioned..

anthopides · **Joined:** Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:56 am **Posts:** 61

Kernahan&Ratten have to go

Ratten has not got the presence strength or strategies to coach successfully and Kernahan has far to much influernce on him.
Kernahan must not be involved at all in the football department of the club.
He has been involved in the football department far to long certainly during the worst years of Carlton's history
He is the ultimate survivor!
Both were great players.
Ratts cant coach at this level and Kernahan has been there far to long.
Athopides

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:22 am

anthopides wrote:

Kernahan&Ratten have to go

Ratten has not got the presence strength or strategies to coach successfully and Kernahan has far to much influernce on him.

How does Kernahan influence him?

murraycray · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:35 am

Synbad, I haven't spoken to Stephen Kernahan, but it seems you have.
I'm curious as to his reaction, when you told him he had a dinosaur mentality, and had no clues on the modern game.

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:32 am

murraycray wrote:

Synbad, I haven't spoken to Stephen Kernahan, but it seems you have.
I'm curious as to his reaction, when you told him he had a dinosaur mentality, and had no clues on the modern game.

If youre implying Sticks hasnt been pissed off with me face to face.. youre wrong.
Seriously.. some of you blokes must think i wouldnt say anything face to face... :thumbsup:

Ive had vigorous debate with Sticks Pagan Smorgon Malouf....

Doesnt worry me....

i love the club.... :wink:

oh and he got defensive and had the 'cutties'...

Melvey · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:38 am

murraycray wrote:

Synbad, I haven't spoken to Stephen Kernahan, but it seems you have.
I'm curious as to his reaction, when you told him he had a dinosaur mentality, and had no clues on the modern game.

I think STicks 12 year old daughter would have more of a clue and she plays basketball

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:41 am

For the record my concern i brought up with him were the kinds of retreads and broken down hacks we had been bringing into the club starting from OReilly and MAnsfield all the way down to Saddington... and Ackland... alot of them were his idea...

BlueMark · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:55 am

To be honest I don't think Sticks is comfortable being President and would be much happier with a role within the football department. To that end we should be sounding out potential Presidents with a veiw of having a new President installed at the next AGM.

murraycray · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:33 am

Synbad wrote:

murraycray wrote:

Synbad, I haven't spoken to Stephen Kernahan, but it seems you have.
I'm curious as to his reaction, when you told him he had a dinosaur mentality, and had no clues on the modern game.

If youre implying Sticks hasnt been pissed off with me face to face.. youre wrong.
Seriously.. some of you blokes must think i wouldnt say anything face to face... :thumbsup:

Ive had vigorous debate with Sticks Pagan Smorgon Malouf....

Doesnt worry me....

i love the club.... :wink:

oh and he got defensive and had the 'cutties'...

Iim not implying anything Synners , I was curious as to his reaction and I have no reason to think
you wouldn't front the bloke and make your feelings known. Should be more of it.
There have been times in the past where I'm sure Stephen Gough would have wished me confined to a slow boat to China. Didn't worry me either. We BOTH love the club and want it to prosper. :thumbsup:

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anthopides · **Joined:** Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:56 am **Posts:** 61

Patrick Smith in the Australian July 1wrote "Kernahan's wait to condem Elliot for his remarks looked both weak and inept and has hurt his presidency he seemed constrained by his own friendship with his former president."
While it is difficult to turn on Carlton's own it is time to move into the 21st century remove Kernahn's influence from the Football Department and find a coach with the presence strenghth and startegies to take this very good Carlton list led by the very best captain to a premiership
Anthopides

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