Roos has driven the Swans list off a cliff.
They will be atrocious over the next few years due to his inability to build a balanced, well structured list.

I'd run and hide in the US too if I was him.

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But he won a premiership with that list.

Played in two grandfinals.

and consecutive finals series.

at the end of the day its about winning a premiership. WE CAN'T BUY THEM ANYMORE and thats why we are struggling.

We're not struggling. We are sitting 8th on the ladder with a young, dynamic, improving list.
Where's Sydney? 11th on the ladder with the oldest bunch of broken down has beens in the AFL.
Even Roos realises they're screwed, thats why he's sooking to the AFL to bail them out.

No thanks.

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And a premiership and consecutive finals appearances. We have 3 wooden spoons and 3 number 1 draft picks

You got no idea if you think Paul Roos can't coach. Teams go up, they go down and come back up again. They've had a great run

And for 1 Premiership.

Regardless of consecutive GF appearances, they have won one Premiership. That's all that counts at the end of the day.

If you are happy with winning one Premiership, then good for you because I can guarantee you if that record of 2 Granny appearances and one Premiership was Brett Ratten's you will say that we have failed.

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You got no idea. Do you think winning premierships is easy???? especially now that we can't buy them.

The swans are a team of champions, played for each other. They didn't need super midfield or 3 number 1 draft picks and Judd to try win one

I'm not disputing whether Roos can coach or not BUT HE WON"T be coaching beyond the Swans, so your obsession with him is pointless.

I never said winning a Premiership was easy, but history will show that the Swans and Eagles were not as successful as they could have been as they have only one Premiership each.

Their games against each other were brilliant.

Unless Geelong can win a Premiership this year, they will also have been seen to be mildly successful if they hit a wall after this year.

Comments like 'you've got no idea' and 'bull dust' are not endearing either.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Yeah, yeah.
DUCs got no idea, I've got no idea.

We're just lucky we've got footy luminaries like you to set us straight.

Good coaches build lists and maintain them for sustained success. People like Matthews should be your example.

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A premiership is a premiership. Be grateful to even win one

Melvey are you able to tell me how much extra money Sydney can pay its players compared to all the other clubs in the competition? Roos is a good coach and he will argue that he can't afford to bottom out because of the fickle market his club operates in. But if he wants a ruckman (Jolly) he can outbid everyone, if he wants a forward (Hall) he can outbid everyone etc. etc.
He is a premiership coach but Lethal got 3 pemierships with the help of the AFL, Roos only got 1 and he had more help.

why do i bother

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Roos job was to keep the Swans in the eight so the Swans masters at AFL house would keep the money coming...he did that by trading those picks as suggested and sure the list has gone down hill but he achieved the goals set for him...I'm sure he would have loved to keep those picks and get some good kids but would not be allowed to have the Swans out of the eight and off the TV in September....

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Let's not forget that they also continue to beat us (no matter what team they field) with ridiculous regularity...

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Unbelievable. I don't know about anyone else but right now I'd guess we're a 30-40% chance of a flag in the next 7 years. If Ratts wins a flag he'll have been a success full stop. Our list is promising but has significant flaws with no obvious sure-fire remedy. To get it over the line for a flag will be an enormous achievement and requires that the coach gets the best out of the players, along with luck, excellent recruiting, improved culture, facilities yada yada.

We can argue that Essendon*, Port and perhaps Geelong (depending on what happens this year) underperformed given the dominance those sides enjoyed during the home and away season. Are you expecting Carlton to win 85% of their H&A matches over a 3 year period? Ess won 85% in 99-01, Port won 80% in 02-04, Cats 91% in 07-09. Those teams had earned the right to be disappointed that they didn't win more than 1 flag. The last time prior to Essendon* that a team won over 80% of the H&A matches over a 3 year period was Hawthorn with 83% 87-89 - one of the all time great teams.

On what basis do we have the right to expect that Carlton will match these "failures" let alone surpass them? Or do you expect we can do an Adelaide (one of the more remarkable finals doubles in history) and run over better performed teams twice in a row?

We're a reasonable chance to win a flag if we do things right. More than that would be a dream come true. To say "2 flags is par" is blind arrogance of the sort that has made us the worst team of the decade. If you want more of the same you should hope Carlton has learned nothing.

IMO I think a lot of the success some of these coaches has quite a bit to do with their knowledge of the players. Paul Roos would have played with half the players on the list once he started coaching, he knew the players personally and professionally and this would have made things much more easier when he's planning out expectations he thinks his players can achieve. This could be why he made an impact straight away when he started and could be why he doesn't think he could be a career coach and maybe replicate this somewhere else. He would need to start all over and compared to when he started with the Swans he knows nothing about this team. There is no guarantee his coaching methods will translate to Carlton just as Pagans method didn't translate. Someone who has been there, doesn't mean they can take you there.

The same can be said about Voss and Brisbane, whose current key players are the ones he played with in a Premiership. You shouldn't feel we missed out on someone in Voss because a lot of his current success is to do with his knowledge of the players.

Ratten started coaching us around six months after he joined on as an Assistant Coach, playing with only Fev and Hoops of the current list, so the only real advantage he had over other prospective coaches was that he knew his way around Princes Park and played some footy with the Vice-President.

If you go with how teams went with Roos, Voss and Worsfold, then probably the best fit would be David Teague. All Best and Fairests mind you.

We need a coach that gives us the best chance to succeed. It's impossible to foresee who that could be, but the best way we can do this is by getting prospective coaches to line up and find out exactly what they think they can do with this team. Starting with Ratten, who should be reviewed if we feel he's underachieved then sacked if they don't like where he is heading. In hindsight, the last two times we should have gone through the interview process and not simply look at resumes, let's not make that same mistake. Best plan wins.