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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:15 pm 
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We dont understand how to open up a defence...

Fev ran into the back of players out of frustration.. and boy would he be frustrated... because even though Setanta was in the better position... he needs blokes to clear out and create space for him ... each week we play we have the most congested forward line of any forward lines i watch...

Why cant we just open it up?????

Why do other clubs have open forward lines and we have this huge cluster of players in our inside 50..

Because in 10 years of footy, playing the same position week in, week out, Fev still hasn't figured out how to play with a CHF. If he does make a two- or three-lead effort, he'll just lead to the same spot twice rather than leading in a direction that gets his CHF's opponent second guessing. In short, he is not good enough at working hard and thinking his way through the flood for a goal.

Twice he crunched Carlos on Friday night. He had to block on the first one and let the big man take the grab falling backwards. The second one was his.

From his work on Friday night, i'd say he didn't spend a lot of time reviewing the tapes from his opponent's last game...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:50 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
Won't call my ins and outs until I see Ants reports, but I really hope Ando gets a run - his consistency should be rewarded and he plays with heart. Subi should suit him, too. A run with role with one of those annoying Freo mids could be his go.

Fish won't be dropped, whether we like it or not. Ratts pumped him up big time after the game, so its la la land to think he won't be playing this week.

Glad we're playing in yellow - the sight of a Navy Blue jumper makes them play out of their skins.....


Fisher playing at Subiaco scares me.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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If Fremantle dont start favourites for this game something is wrong, we are soooo over rated its not funny. We have done nothing all season. Hence why i always put money on the teams we play against and collect. Examples

Vs Essendon* twice.... Essendon* to win both times odds were over $2.00... jumped on twice and twice collect
Vs Hawthorn we were slight favourites - got on the Hawks... collected
Vs Freo got great odds... $3.00... got on... collect

Ill continue to bet against the heartless Blues



What a fascinating passtime.
Everyone associated with you must be very proud.


Actually hollywood makes a good point...never back the blues when they start favourites and 9 times out of 10 you will collect..that should tell you a whole lot of where we are as a club..

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:55 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
Won't call my ins and outs until I see Ants reports, but I really hope Ando gets a run - his consistency should be rewarded and he plays with heart. Subi should suit him, too. A run with role with one of those annoying Freo mids could be his go.

Fish won't be dropped, whether we like it or not. Ratts pumped him up big time after the game, so its la la land to think he won't be playing this week.

Glad we're playing in yellow - the sight of a Navy Blue jumper makes them play out of their skins.....


Fisher playing at Subiaco scares me.


Doesn't scare me. Worries the hell out of me


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:56 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
Won't call my ins and outs until I see Ants reports, but I really hope Ando gets a run - his consistency should be rewarded and he plays with heart. Subi should suit him, too. A run with role with one of those annoying Freo mids could be his go.

Fish won't be dropped, whether we like it or not. Ratts pumped him up big time after the game, so its la la land to think he won't be playing this week.

Glad we're playing in yellow - the sight of a Navy Blue jumper makes them play out of their skins.....


Fisher playing at Subiaco scares me.


Just Fisher???

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:58 pm 
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So that's two games in a row they've been spectators at the MCG.



is JOTW still running? You're on fire JohnM

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:01 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
Won't call my ins and outs until I see Ants reports, but I really hope Ando gets a run - his consistency should be rewarded and he plays with heart. Subi should suit him, too. A run with role with one of those annoying Freo mids could be his go.

Fish won't be dropped, whether we like it or not. Ratts pumped him up big time after the game, so its la la land to think he won't be playing this week.

Glad we're playing in yellow - the sight of a Navy Blue jumper makes them play out of their skins.....


Fisher playing at Subiaco scares me.


Just Fisher???


Surely with the open spaces of Subi our boys won't feel so crowded and pressured.

If fish plays surely he won't leave the 50 arc..?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:19 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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So that's two games in a row they've been spectators at the MCG.

Very clever

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:39 pm 
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They traditionaloy run the ball from half back and we are suspect against teams that do that. Even Collingwood has started to do it and we have them in 4 weeks.

If we try and run with them down the middle, they will win. We have to control the footy. We have nobody in the current 22 with electric pace, apart from Eddie and he is a burst player. Russell is quick but isn't playing.

Houlihan is one of my favourite players but even I am concerned about him at the moment. He is in the team for his skills but he is wasting possessions. If he doesn't play to his skill-level, he is no good to us as he has no other strings to his bow.

Time to play a bit of exciting footy if Ratts wants to run and carry. Select a team that has it in them. Armfield is a bit raw but has a fair go. Simpson isn't carrying as much as he used to. Garlett likes to do it but his disposal needs a bit of consistency. Give him a crack. I think Hartlett might get a game if he does OK in the Ants and Thornton is styill suspect. Bower is unlucky. For mine he has been our best back this year and will be a star in a couple of years. He is happy to carry the footy more than most but then gets into a pickle with it. Will learn.
Let's beat these bastards and look to stay in the 8.
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Banno
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:45 pm 
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Can we really play Fev, Fisher and O'hAilpin in the same forward line at Subiaco?

Think of the rebound the Dockers will get with the above talls unable or unwilling to apply any defensive pressure.

Bring some smalls in to the forward line who are willing to lock the ball in and crumb.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:13 pm 
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FWIW A CATS FAN HAS POSTED ON BIGFOOTY SOME BRIEF THOUGHTS ON THE BULLANTS PLAYERS.

Thought Cloke was the standout, Ellard did a good negating job Hadley was quiet, didn't notice Bentick at all and described Garlett and Yarran as quiet and "lazy". Not a lot to get enthused about in that. Edwards played on Podsiadly who kicked 6.

Notwithstanding the above I presume Bower will miss and Stevens and Houlihan have to go so there needs to be at least 3 ins and I'd also drop Fisher., Even when he does his job well the opposition run off too easily and we get cut up. I'd be inclined to bring in Garlett who I thought has showed something in the 1s and Ellard who deserves it by weight of good games and perhaps (given Anderson didn't rate much mention) Johnson to provide the precise kicking role previously filled by Stevens.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
It would be foolhardy to drop Fev... youd be making a bad situation worse.

The trick is how do you make room for Fevola?

Even if you drop him and you find room in the forward line next week., you still have to play with Fevola in your team at some stage.
By having people flooding and closing his space to move in the forward line youd think youd have more in your midfield.
By having 3 around Fv youd think you have players in space too.

I dont understand how other teams all have space for their forwards and we dont... because if Fev doesnt have space.. there means there is alot of space elsewhere with free players.

Ive been saying it all of last year and all of this year.

We dont understand how to open up a defence...

We dont understand how to move through a crowd.

Our players just fall for stuff thats elimentary for othere teams that are around about our stage in evolvement.

Fev ran into the back of players out of frustration.. and boy would he be frustrated... because even though Setanta was in the better position... he needs blokes to clear out and create space for him ... each week we play we have the most congested forward line of any forward lines i watch...

Why cant we just open it up?????

Why do other clubs have open forward lines and we have this huge cluster of players in our inside 50.. and then if we are in defence... theres a cluster we cant get through there too.. and when we have it in the midfield... we cant work it coherently through there either????

Its cos we dont know how t move the ball from point a to point b fluently...


I agree with your points about the way we play, but Fev was stupid and selfish to bring his man to a marking contest when Setanta had proven he was in great marking form against NLM - he was absolutely dominant.

You talk about dumb footy and blame the coaches and players for it, but Fev is entitled to barrel his teammate because he's frustrated? He is the main man, and should be served better, but the bloke can't appreciate that it isn't all about him. There are times when Setanta is in the right spot. It's not like he was encroaching into Fev's area - we're talking 45-50m out, and those kicks were directed at Setanta, not Fev.

I think Fev's been delighted to be the pea in the pod the last 5 years, no player in the AFL has more ball directed to him than Fev. What is it - 70-80% of entries go to him? Fantastic. Where are we going, and fast, if that % remains constant? We need to develop alternative targets, and our team-oriented :donk: FF needs to allow them the chance to grow in that forward line by not crashing packs where Setanta is the target.

If the coaches don't want Setanta marking balls inside 50 I'll "go he" (where the flower did that saying come from ?). He's showing plenty as a forward and the team will benefit if he's encouraged and developed in that position, and the team will suffer if our egomaniac FF continues to be more interested in showing his teammates he's the alpha dog than being a team player.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:13 pm 
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people wanting to drop austin, great move, has one bad game.
austin will be our chb for many years too come so get of he's back. even the best defenders have bad days and he is only young. bower not so long ago was in the same boat.
fisher, bannister, houilhan? only if austin had as much time as these blokes!!!
GIVE THE KID SOME @#$%&! TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:26 pm 
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people wanting to drop austin, great move, has one bad game.
austin will be our chb for many years too come so get of he's back. even the best defenders have bad days and he is only young. bower not so long ago was in the same boat.
fisher, bannister, houilhan? only if austin had as much time as these blokes!!!
GIVE THE KID SOME !@#$%& TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I've never seen a player so shocked, horrified and disgusted after making a mistake than Aussie after that terrible error at FB against Reimers. Poor bastard - he'll ....... from ......

He's obviously a good young player, and there's obviously a spot for him with Bower out / Thornton in


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:41 pm 
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If Austin is dropped I will be very disappointed, there were at least another four or five players who played worse than him. He was kicking himself after that error which lead to the reimers goal, if only the rest of the players showed that much emotion and disappointment during the game.
In regards to Fev, if we were to drop him, who would be bought in in his place, we have no big strong forward apart from Fev and he knows this.
I also think Stevens should be dropped and replaced with either Yarren or Garlett, both will hopefully be at the club for a longer period than Stevens and should be getting a bit more experiance.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:55 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We dont understand how to open up a defence...

Fev ran into the back of players out of frustration.. and boy would he be frustrated... because even though Setanta was in the better position... he needs blokes to clear out and create space for him ... each week we play we have the most congested forward line of any forward lines i watch...

Why cant we just open it up?????

Why do other clubs have open forward lines and we have this huge cluster of players in our inside 50..

Because in 10 years of footy, playing the same position week in, week out, Fev still hasn't figured out how to play with a CHF. If he does make a two- or three-lead effort, he'll just lead to the same spot twice rather than leading in a direction that gets his CHF's opponent second guessing. In short, he is not good enough at working hard and thinking his way through the flood for a goal.

Twice he crunched Carlos on Friday night. He had to block on the first one and let the big man take the grab falling backwards. The second one was his.

From his work on Friday night, i'd say he didn't spend a lot of time reviewing the tapes from his opponent's last game...



..don't agree, i reckon there was a time there that Fev worked really well with a CHF.. ..and basically it was because the big red was the one organising the forward 50.. ..Lance organised the area best for all forwards, where Fev just tells everyone to stay away.. ..we need a proper forward set-up, and a player with smarts up forward, Fev's great individually but not the team man to be organising the F50..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:58 am 
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99prelim you are 100% right, thats exactly why i bet against my own team!
The money i outlay is money i am more than happy to lose as long as my boys get up! But in the event they dont, im dirty of course but at least i collect some cash, eases the blow a little.

In effect i am saying to Carlton footy club ' PROVE ME WRONG '!!

I love the Blues just as much as any of you guys... i just want to see our club get back to the promised land. Im sick of clubs and supporters laughing and bagging us, poor efforts, weak players... it really hurts me! If i can ease the pain with some fiscal relief then i will do so.

I will throw $50 on Fremantle this week, they will probably start $1.85 and so will we. In my opinion they should be $1.10

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:22 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We dont understand how to open up a defence...

Fev ran into the back of players out of frustration.. and boy would he be frustrated... because even though Setanta was in the better position... he needs blokes to clear out and create space for him ... each week we play we have the most congested forward line of any forward lines i watch...

Why cant we just open it up?????

Why do other clubs have open forward lines and we have this huge cluster of players in our inside 50..

Because in 10 years of footy, playing the same position week in, week out, Fev still hasn't figured out how to play with a CHF. If he does make a two- or three-lead effort, he'll just lead to the same spot twice rather than leading in a direction that gets his CHF's opponent second guessing. In short, he is not good enough at working hard and thinking his way through the flood for a goal.

Twice he crunched Carlos on Friday night. He had to block on the first one and let the big man take the grab falling backwards. The second one was his.

From his work on Friday night, i'd say he didn't spend a lot of time reviewing the tapes from his opponent's last game...



..don't agree, i reckon there was a time there that Fev worked really well with a CHF.. ..and basically it was because the big red was the one organising the forward 50.. ..Lance organised the area best for all forwards, where Fev just tells everyone to stay away.. ..we need a proper forward set-up, and a player with smarts up forward, Fev's great individually but not the team man to be organising the F50..


Big red certainly pointed alot...

But dont forget it was a different world back then... and the zones and the floods were not this well organised.
Also Pagan liked the 50 open.

Big Red would not have got a touch playing forward these days.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:42 am 
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Out: Bannister, Houlihan, Stevens, Fisher, Bower (inj)

In: Garlett, Yarran, Russell, Hadley and Thornton

Other than Bower and Walker this should be our team for the rest of the year

FB: Browne, Jammo, Thornton
HB: Simpson, Bower, Grigg
C: Jospeh, Murph, Russell
HF: Scottland, O'Hailpin, Yarran
FF: Betts, Fev, Garlett
Fol: Krooze, Judd, Gibbs
Int: Hadley, Armfield, Hamspon, Hadley


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:45 am 
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Calling for Fevolas axeing is just being defeatest.

The match committe MUST come up with a functioning and productive game style and forward structure.

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