Mike Fitpatrick has never wanted the job.

Anyone but Ratts............. Ratts is a man that treads water....he has had no formal training to manage a football club... he is underquaified to coach.. his tactical nouse is highly questionable... he is reactive not proactive.. you can see that in the way our team often plays... its backpeddling and just flicking the ball around.

Im a believer that you need to be positive and you should be moving forwards .. your momentum should be on the front foot...if your momentum is going forward youre putting pressure on the opposition side..
Ratts is a believer that you need to guard the footy... and protect it... (fair enough)... but where Ratts and his enius gameplan falls down is once you have the ball and youre looking at protecting ot frm the opposition.... then what???...you still have to take it forward fluid to score.

Our gameplan is chip it around and dont let the oppostion have it (in the theory) but we dont know how to do it.. so then its give it to Juddy... dont worry there are 3 blokes hanging off him.... "give it to the champ".... then from there all roads lead to Fev.....dont worry there are 3 blokes hanging off him....."kick it to Fev".... and if Fev doesnt get it... Eddie needs to kick another one out of his arse...(which he does alot for Ratts and his unstrcuctured forward structures...

Now Ratts has been doing the same thing for the last 41 games...without much else...

Some Ancient Greek once said.... " The fox has many tricks... but the porcupine only has one trick... but an effective one"....

Well Ratts has ony one trick but its a poor one... at least if he is unimaginative he could be more like the porcupine and have one effective trick..

As Ratts continues to flog something that isnt working...the players will pick up on it.. and when the players sense Ratts one trick is ineffective days like today will be more common..

Now getting back to who do i think would be a good coach???

Id like to think we can speak to a few prospectives properly with a real process...and be wise enough to choose the right man for our job....

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To me it's starting to look like Ratts will lose his job if we don't make finals. It looks like a close run thing at the moment.

The club's governance structure was at sub-NRL levels for a long long time (see Elliott's latest brain fart for a blast from the past), and while Pratt shook things up, and did enormous good, I wonder how lasting the effect will be, and still have reservations about the messiah complex that Pratt's stint reinforced. He's gone now, and he did entrust Sticks with the football side of things. Sticks gave his mate the job, and got him re-appointed prematurely.

Assuming that Swann is a pro, does he have enough power? Do Brown Dog, Diesel etc have undue influence?

Are we a professional cohesive operation yet?

I ask these questions because
a) I don't know
b) we can't afford to be run by UNACCOUNTABLE factions anymore
c) I'm sick of us being a rabble, and we have to get it right
d) I hate Essendon*, and I see them doing everything right to get back where they want to be

We can finish tenth and Ratts will be there next year....

It doesnt matter where we finish... Ratts wont be sacked this year... he might quit... (doubt it) but he wont be sacked...

We will go after another out of contract player...and work with the slogan..
"we;re coming.. and this time were serious"

You have 4 major appointments at a footy club.

They are....

President
CEO
Senior coach
Recruitment manager.

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That would be a first.

As for wisdom, you don't always make the right decision, but your odds are much much much much better if you interview everybody, if you have the right people designing the process, and the right people making the decision.

If you tick the above boxes, it also suggests you have sound management in general, and that everyone will be comfortable in pushing in the same direction, because they trust those setting it.

Is there someway we (members) can call for a general meeting and harrass the flower out of Sticks Re: the coaching situation?

I am all for "never say die" attitudes, but if we lose to Freo I think we are done.

I don't want to pay my membership fees every year, and watch fat cats like Sticks and Ratts destroy our premiership hopes for another 10 years.


Why should we accept it????????????????????????????

You would get castrated if you tried to get rid of Sticks...some people have no idea how powerful with the Carlton populace Sticks is..... noone will run against him... hes King for life unless he leaves himself...

I wouldnt cal Ratts ans Sticks "fatcats"..........'out of their depth' maybe... but not 'fatcats'

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Agree. No good putting names out there just for the sake of it. We need to make hard calls and have some professionalism in our process for once FFS!

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So Synners, who runs the show ? Board, Swan, or Ratten, Williams, & the boys. It is evident Ratten is not getting the most out of this group, needs help badly and very quickly too. Status quo is not the answer, the coaching team needs to reviewed and re-structured. Maybe bring in an exprienced senior coach such as Laidley as director coaching to direct, guide and mentor Ratten & the team. Newton is highly talked out, does he have the influence to instigate changes ?

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I'm really starting to become annoyed at the language Ratten uses:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/ ... 42,00.html

Maybe
I suppose
Some blokes

I have us losing to Freo, season over then IMO, not sure we are good enough to pickup that extra win for 12.

If we miss finals it's a failure for Ratts as coach, I think come half-way mark next year and we still haven't improved enough he will be gone.

yeah, would like to see Laidley in a senior coaching role. As someone said here earlier, If Laidley could make a bunch of rubble into a competitve team, imagine what he could do with our side !!!

And please, PLEASE,,lets have no more mention about Bucks, we have already tried one inexperienced coach, why would you want go there again. !!!!!

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I left at the 12 minute mark last night . The second time I have left early ever.

Its clear that things are not working properly and if the problems arnt addressed we will be clearly in trouble for years to come

Synbad summed it up perfectly. We are a one trick pony. If Judd and Fev play poorly we are [REDACTED].

The saints game filled me with hope because Judd and Fev had average games but the cancers that have plagued this club for nearly a decade still remain.

Ratten is contracted till 2011 but if we can get a prove coach who
1 is tactically good
2 wont tolerate crap
we will be better off

IMO the club have been way to soft on players . Its a culture thats developed over the years. We arnt professional enough on the field and the first thing that must be addressed is this.
Stevens
Fevola
Houlihan
have to be dropped this week.
The MC must make this call before anything else is done.
Players have to put their bodies on the line and try their best. This didnt happen last night and it doesnt matter about this year anymore. Its about changing the culture of this club which frankly as a supporter for 39 years I find embarrasing.

I would rather lose to Freo with 22 guys busting a gut than have another win then the same shit happen 2 weeks later. These 3 guys efforts last night particularly the first 2 were a joke. The young kids had a bad night. I can accept that. But not these 3 who are selfish footballers. Stevens effort in blocking that Lloyd mark before 3 quarter time was laughable.

Ratten needs to make a statement first otherwise we will be going nowhere.

Secondaly we have some ordinary players on our list. Too many. The broom needed to be used more often in the past 4 years. Now we have a list with about 12 blokes who arnt up to it. We need to move them on at the end of the year. It can be done. Have a look at some of the players we have picked up in the rookie draft.

Thirdly we need to develop stratergies and have the players play to that game plan. In short play as a team like Essendon* did last night. Enough has been said about the specifics of that for me to say anything

Give the circumstances of this game and its importance the quality of our second half shows the club that many of the same problems exist .They need to be addressed promply with solutions put into place.
Start by dumping these 3 blokes and replace them with Gartlett Anderson and Robinson
If the powers at the club dont realise this and pass this game off as "one of those nights" like we have in the past then will not progress.
The culture of this club needs to change first

whilst i think yesterday was poor, by all involved, i find it somewhat amusing, that there was no threads about ratten being rubbish when we lost to saint kilda.

ffs you blokes. a coach can only do so much, he may or may not have blasted the shit out of the players at every stage he cold, but if the players arent running, if the players are making bad decisions, if they players arent doing the 1% - then there isnt a coach in the world that could fix it on game.

to see what rattens quality is, will be shown in the week after the game, and how the players respond next week.

for me, the jury is out on Ratts, but for me personally, if we make finals he has done enough, if we dont he has failed and we need to look elsewhere.

it is very frustrating. i watch us play against sides like bulldogs, hawks and saints ... all opponents i rate alot higher than the bummer, and the team, the effort we put in against those sides is nothing like the side, effort i saw yesterday, very frustrating indeed.

is ratten to blame for that? who knows, perhaps we got caught out by having a break, and then playing a side that play last week.

its the only thing i can think of, becasue it was like we didnt even turn up. just a very embarrasing and very dissappointing effort by all involed.

but i hope those screaing for ratts head, are also asking for stevens to retire, fevola to be dropped, houlihan to be dropped, as tey where all just as bad, if not worse than Ratten IMO>

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The disappointment for me is that we tried to take the defensive gameplan we used against St.Kilda (a top team) and use that against an ordinary team last night.

Having Joseph, Bannister, Grigg, Carazzo and Houlihan all go out with negative, defensive mindsets meant we were never going to get enough run through the middle. Throw in shockers from Stevens and Scotland and there was no way we were going to win enough clean ball to give our forwards a chance.

Fev is frustrating, but if our midfield has control he will do the job most of the time.

Playing Fisher and Houlihan in front of Garlett and Robertson against a team like Essendon* was never going to work.

I would have thought some of the above was basic stuff that a coach should be getting right, and while I love Brett Ratten he is fast shooting himself in the foot.

Is that because a coach is not resonsible for tactics discipline skills team selection ???

Too REACTIVE and not PROACTIVE
Too UNSKILLED
Too SLOW
Too CLUELESS
Too UNDISCIPLINED
Too PREDICTABLE
Too INDIRECT
Too Ratten....

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100 % agree here.
Pro active rather than reactive needs to happen

carrazzo is a ball magnet yet is tagging Stanton.
Clueless

Ratts might not be the man (and I have been a proponent of this for some time) but AFAIC we still have plenty of deficiencies on our list. Defensively I am not not too concerned albeit another quality small/mid HBF to provide creativity and run is still required.
But we are still a couple of very good players short in the midfield. Not superstars, but really good mids who can run and get on the bottom of packs when its their turn. We are still missing a hard in and under player to fight for the ground ball. Unfortunately, Hadley may have simply had the game go past him due to his injuries and lack of sufficient pace. And also another hard runner (who can kick!) is required.

But up forward is a major concern - both in terms of cattle and gameplan. We need to find others who we can kick to URGENTLY. We're one-dimensional (no major discovery there...) however, we are even no good at this game plan for large chunks.

What upset me most last night was how lazy we were and our lack of run both offensively and defensively. We were too lazy and couldn't be bothered running hard to create options and couldn't be stuffed running back defensively and covering the scums runners. This loss really hurts. As much as our game against the tigers in 2005. Totally insipid after half time

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C'mon Blueboys!

who would I prefer as coach ?

1. P Roos
2. M Malthouse
3. N Buckley (subject to rigorous due diligence)

rats can come up and sit with us and support the club he loves....

there is no room for supporters in the coaches box....it is a professional caper now !

RATTEN (CARLTON)=BARTLETT(RICHMOND)
favourite son who cannot coach. Would Richmond have thought in 1980 that 29 years later they were still a rabble?????????
A couple of us believe that we are becoming another Richmond. 14 years since our last flag and still years away.
Right now we have a hack of a coach and take a good hard look at our list.....no flowering depth
I love Fev but Carlton will not get within cooey of a flag while we have Fev. He demands the ball, we kick it to him, they triple team him and so on and so on and so on.......
Judd can only get crunched so many times before his body packs up.

The signs were there against the Bombers in round 3
HE'S LEARNING GIVE HIM TIME!!!!
Then against the Freo at Carrara.......you know, that night that apparently saw our Prez boozing with the lads til 3.00 am alledgedly
HE'S LEARNING GIVE HIM TIME!!!!
Then there was that great strategic ploy against the Crows
HE'S LEARNING GIVE HIM TIME!!!!!!!
Sorry, forgot the Swans......"Wev'e got to beat them at the stoppages............"
HE'S LEARNING, GIVE HIM TIME!!!!!!

In between all that were a couple of honorable losses and wins against the Collingwood VFL side and WC......oh that the win against Brizzy, you know that win that we are all used to by now, the one that Fev gets us over the line witha about 7-8 goals. We can always count on those every 5 or 6 weeks. Unfortunately, it won't get us into the finals.
I said it about 6 weeks ago and I'll say it again. Forget finals in '09.
I thought Ratts was going to work. I was wrong, he's nothing more than a good assistant coach.
It all starts again round 1 2010 cos 2009 is done and dusted

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You give a great perspective 99prelim.

I assume that was not sarcastic. Thanks

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