I would have thought his best game was last year when he beat Pavlich and racked up 19 possessions while doing so. That shaded his job the week after against Geelong when he managed to beat his opponent and pick up 18 possessions even though we were smashed, and a few weeks after that when he towelled up Travis Cloke while picking up another 16 possessions. The MC thought so anyway. And since then, we've found out that he did all that with shot lower legs. Not bad at all.

But the Doggies game and the Saints game this year also were up there, especially as this is a new role for him at AFL level. And the most difficult position on the ground to boot

I'll take their word over yours any day of the weak.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

But you were critical of them a couple weeks back over the Ratts interview


It is the same I preached in the Pagan years - copped the same abuse then

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A very important couple of points.

I'd love to see Setants take a few more marks and make more contests, which was an issue as a backman as well, and if he's to make CHF his own he has a long way to go. But his mobility and offensiveness outside of marks is excellent and makes up for his deficiencies to a degree.

It's a good thing that no-one takes ultimatums like "needs to kick 4 goals this week" seriously, for mine he's easily in our best forward line of the players available. When the Ws come in he'll struggle to hold his place unless he can find another gear, but it's nice to have his versatility on our side.

and speaking of Claptrap

Friday night the boys put on what was close to their best display in several years despite the loss - we come here to Talking Carlton we get a thread about Juddys nose -warranted - a thread about how good AJ will be - warranted considering the game he played and a thread calling for the second / third least effective player on the night to be signed for future years

where is the thread calling for Jamo contract to be extended after the job he did on Kosie
where is the thread calling for Grigg contract to be extended played a blinder
where is the thread calling for Kade Simpson to be given life time contract after he turned the game in the second quarter

Where is the thread hailing Banno return after being out for so long
where is Bowers thread


As I said talking of claptrap - supporter have lost contact with reality

give praise and pump up those who deserve it - not to someone who has 6 effective disposals despite the fact that the commentators are calling it his best game ever

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Hmmm ... they highlighted Santy on FC as well. Lyon and Thomas both thought he's worth persevering with.

Gee, Garry Lyon also said that Santy was as good as Jimmy Stynes. Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting what he was saying, deliberately or otherwise. Just like you, SB, I'm just totally unable to discriminate between someone making a narrow point by reference to another player (in this case that Jimmy Stynes wasn't worth much in his first 5 years but then turned the corner in a big way, and suggesting that Santy might well show big improvement as well without necessarily suggesting he'll end up at the same lofty heights), and saying that the one player is exactly the same overall as the other player. But like you, SB, I'll have to assume the latter. Isn't that amazing? A guy who played alongside the Brownlow Medallist, Jimmy Stynes, believes that Santy will end up being the best player in the AFL at some stage in the future. How about them apples then?

Would be happy if Setanta was half the player Jimmy Stynes was - if he ended up as good as it would be a case of:

"Zeigfried, I won ze pool!!!!"

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Yes, shame on you for wasting time on all this when you could have been starting all these other threads, why have you spent so much time talking about Setanta anyway?

Checkmate

The mere fact that a game where a player has 6 effective disposals is marked by the media as a significant turning point in his career
Simply highlights how bad his other 50 odd games have been

Mav Lyon also highlighted his lack of awareness
"give it to Gibbs" were the comments

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SB you have rattled off those stats nicely once again havent you

Carlos is the best option ATM

You speak of Hartlett.
Club had high hopes for this guy and hammies havent helped but Hartlett is too slow and not agile enough. For a guy his size he has poor hands and doesnt take too many pack marks. This is also Carlos' greatest weakness. But Carlos is far more mobile.
I reckon He wont be around next year unless he has a big change of fortune. Isnt starring in the twos. He played a lot in defence earlier in the season.
Edwards wont make it either. He has the tools to play AFL and I thought he could be our third tall down forward but seems to lack the intensity for AFL. He is a lazy footballer IMO.

Fisher is too slow although as a third tall I reckon he could be value particularly if Gartlett and betts are buzzing aroulnd the forward line

Cloke is way too slow and not agile enough to play CHF regurlarly

Rattle off all the stats you like SB because we look a better team when Carlos plays. He looks dangerous in attack. Far more than the other guys I have mention

Well that's your opinion I will have mine - We will be a better side when he is not playing and that time is coming faster that most might think - some players are going to have to make way for Thornton - Wiggins Walker and Warnock in the coming weeks - He will be one of them
If I was selecting the side next week I would make one change _ out Santy in Thornton and I would play thornton at CHF - Then if Austin was getting beat I would switch Thornton back to defence and Austin Forward.

Bondi bangs on about Cloke being a backward step - he is two years younger and played more games - If Cloke is backwards then Santy is slamming it full on in reverse

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I don't see much upside in Cloke or Wiggins, but I do think Setanta can play a lot better than what we have seen. If Setanta had not ben injured then he would have played more games than Cloke. Also Cloke is playing shite in the Bullants according to all the reports I have read.

Setanta's injury was quite debilitating and affected his pace and acceleration - which is his key advantage.

That he played at all last year was amazing.

With an injury free run at it this year he will be like a new recruit and as his confidence grows the circular debate developing in this thread ( - each of those emoticons are directed at particular groups ) will be superflous.

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trying to confuse the old guy with this urban slang

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Must be a slow day in Sydney.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

It's budget day we are all sitting here watching another Labor government rack up debt

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