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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:31 pm 
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I don't buy this accepting mediocrity thing. Compare the reaction after the Hawks and Saints games to the reaction after the Essendon* and Freo games. Almost identical results - terrific performances in two of them against hardened quality teams which IMO bode well for future finals campaigns, and recognised as such by most supporters. We know we're far from the finished article, but going on those two games, we're on the right track.

Two mediocre performances in games we should have won - I don't remember many here accepting those results. Angry would be more like it.



Yep, agreed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:33 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:36 pm 
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With the emergence of Austin, Thornton is the perfect medium-tall to play across HF. Has defensive skills to negate, is a good o/h mark and his kicking is OK. Bret THornton is the new Brad Fisher. Remember the way Richard Dennis used to play across hf?. Throw in Garlett, Betts, Robinson, Hoops etc to swoop and Carlos as the X, Y and Z factor and we have one seriously potent forward line.
PS. 5-7 minutes each qtr, rotate, Kruze, Hammer and carlos from ruck to chf and with midfield supply, we could be anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The best thing about this emerging backline is that we could seriously consider putting Waitey back in as a permanent chf...who could possibly be better?I reckon he'd end up being better than Saint Nick at it cos of his defending experience.
Thornton too.....if he wants it.
I have great faith in Hoops and Setant in the meantime,and still think Cloke could be used as CHF for awhile too.


I still think Waite could be a DEVASTATING winger/hb/hf. He's very quick AND tall. He could own one side of the ground if given the space

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Ryan Houlihan showed why he wont be apart of any of our September campaigns of the future- he simply cant handle big pressure games.


Watch the game again Hank...then tell me what Hoops did...he was one of our better players given the role the coaches wanted from him...good, honest performance, stuck to his task for 4 quarters and beat his opponent.


He beat Sam Fisher easily


Exactly.

I was impressed with his pressure and 2nd, 3rd efforts not just by him but by everyone. I didn't think we could do that for 4 quarters (OK we took 15 minutes to get going)).

There's good signs from this team.

I can't help but think that If only we had Waite like they had Reiwoldt and I have no doubt we would have got over the line.

Houla could have won the game with that shot last shot at goal and should have, but then again Fev missed 2 easy ones and Betts another. Got to take our chances.

Very impressed with Browne tonight...he's won me over, and Austin was great. Aussie's pace should not be underestimated, and I like the backline without Thornton and I'm a Thornton fan.

Well done to Banno on his return and the best game I have seen Setanta play; he's coming on. Setanta just has to be confident to attack the game and make decisions quickly...get back off the mark for instance. Maybe his decision making will not develop any further and that's what I think may play against him with a full list.

If we played like that against the Swans we would have killed them and against the Crows we would have made a contest and against Freo, Hawks and Bombers we would have cleaned up. As long as we keep improving and getting stronger individually and as a team, we are going to be a bona fide contender for a flag soon.

We should have won. :cry:

Bloody proud of the kids and "they know we're coming".


Hey Bondi, how did Jamo perform on Kosi last night? Big unit that guy. :razz:

Seriously, great to see Jamo playing well on the bigger units again, I'm sure the MC will be thrilled that his shoulder held up so well. Now for that flower Lloyd.....

Bower, Jamo, Aussie, Tex, AJ, Browney, T-Bird etc what a backline for the future. Will be the best in the AFL by a looooong way.
Jomo on Kozi answered alot of questions for me.

Jamo looked fitter and the shoulder didn't seem to restrict Jamo's spoiling of a giant of a man (200cm).

I think you may be referring to me because I have always seen the likes of Jamo, Thornton and Bower found wanting against resting ruckmen.

Last night was fantastic from our defense. Even Bower in the first half was good. There's no way he could have stopped those marks Reiwoldt took from precision passing.

Very happy with pour defenders and the pressure our mids put on their mids after the first 15 minutes.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:24 pm 
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Bower.....Grigg.....Joseph.....Jamieson.....Austin.....Scotland.....looking like a defensive unit to be reckoned with.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:02 pm 
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The lads looked gutted last night and Kruze looked like he was about to start balling he was that upset.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:22 pm 
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Houlihan kept Fisher quiet tick for that but some of his efforts in the last quarter were pathetic and soft.You have to ask is it worth Ratten trying Anderson in a similar role.

Stevens first half was comical. Abetter second half but he is on the way out. Again Ratten needs to make the call. In Stevens defence he did lift in the second half. His last quarter was very good. Again though is it worth trying Ellard who I have time for or yarran in a similar role down the track.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:25 pm 
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anfield wrote:
The lads looked gutted last night and Kruze looked like he was about to start balling he was that upset.



I think every carlton supporter feels for them about last night. All the closes losses we have had throughout this season, just hurts and to think we were that close is a kick in the gut.

But.

Well done blue boys for the first 12 rounds. I for one am proud of them all.
Enjoy the week off, get some much needed rest..

AND COME OUT FIRING AGAINST THE SCUM FROM WINDY HILL

GIVE IT TO THEM FOR ROUND 3, GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPPORTERS, GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE OF LLOYD, GIVE IT TO THEM BECAUSE THEIR Essendon*!

FLOWER THEM UP!!! :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight:


phew, at least thats out of my system for now. :donk:

Go Carlton!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:42 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Houlihan kept Fisher quiet tick for that but some of his efforts in the last quarter were pathetic and soft.You have to ask is it worth Ratten trying Anderson in a similar role.

Stevens first half was comical. Abetter second half but he is on the way out. Again Ratten needs to make the call. In Stevens defence he did lift in the second half. His last quarter was very good. Again though is it worth trying Ellard who I have time for or yarran in a similar role down the track.


From what I saw of Anderson & Ellard in the Bullants today, they both have a long, long, long, long,long way to go to play AFL

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:46 pm 
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What Rocky movie does the quote come from? - Never forget where we came from and what it took to get here. The Saints used to smash us all over the park, a loss anything less than 100 points was normal. They are years ahead of us in body and maturity and we gave it to them. Our boys had the wind up them and we were the better team on the night I thought. Really, it was the mistakes we made that cost us the game. Awesome effort by the boys and even better we are starting to see them gain more and more confidence. Ratts did a good job yday. The only issue I had was our lack of reaction to how quickly they got it out of our forward line.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:06 pm 
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St Kilda, based on last night's game, no chance of a premiership this year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:00 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Houlihan kept Fisher quiet tick for that but some of his efforts in the last quarter were pathetic and soft.You have to ask is it worth Ratten trying Anderson in a similar role.

Stevens first half was comical. Abetter second half but he is on the way out. Again Ratten needs to make the call. In Stevens defence he did lift in the second half. His last quarter was very good. Again though is it worth trying Ellard who I have time for or yarran in a similar role down the track.

You never let us down.
Replace someone who has great skills but plays outside with someone who is more inside but can't kick anywhere near as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:05 am 
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seriously, can we please stop automatically assuming that b/c someone is young they are good?
anderson to replace houlihan??? how would he be better, exactly? houlihan stopped their current B&F winner and one of their most productive players and has sublime skills. he may not be as hard as we'd like but not everyone is. 8/10 times, he would have nailed that last shot. ok, he did a few things poorly last night and maybe he should be dropped at some point, but not for anderson!

and ellard for stevens????? stevens would be in the starting 18 of every team in the comp. ellard would be in the reserves of every team in the comp.

it is one thing to criticise a player relative to his own ability. another thing again to compare him unfavourably to someone who is nowhere near it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:30 am 
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here and now, Stevens and Houlihan, in my opinion are in our BEST 22. Here and now.

The balance of kids/established players is a delicate one that here and now I think we're close to getting right.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:51 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
here and now, Stevens and Houlihan, in my opinion are in our BEST 22. Here and now.

The balance of kids/established players is a delicate one that here and now I think we're close to getting right.


I agree the balance of kids/established players is a delicate one.

I'm comfortable in accepting that Ratten knows all too well the shortcomings of our mid-senior players and will eventually eliminate those players of the list as the younger players mature over the next 6-18 months.

As for the 'here and now' selections, IMO, the opposition will determine which senior players are selected week to week.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:45 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
seriously, can we please stop automatically assuming that b/c someone is young they are good?
anderson to replace houlihan??? how would he be better, exactly? houlihan stopped their current B&F winner and one of their most productive players and has sublime skills. he may not be as hard as we'd like but not everyone is. 8/10 times, he would have nailed that last shot. ok, he did a few things poorly last night and maybe he should be dropped at some point, but not for anderson!

and ellard for stevens????? stevens would be in the starting 18 of every team in the comp. ellard would be in the reserves of every team in the comp.

it is one thing to criticise a player relative to his own ability. another thing again to compare him unfavourably to someone who is nowhere near it.


Good post.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:40 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
seriously, can we please stop automatically assuming that b/c someone is young they are good?
anderson to replace houlihan??? how would he be better, exactly? houlihan stopped their current B&F winner and one of their most productive players and has sublime skills. he may not be as hard as we'd like but not everyone is. 8/10 times, he would have nailed that last shot. ok, he did a few things poorly last night and maybe he should be dropped at some point, but not for anderson!

and ellard for stevens????? stevens would be in the starting 18 of every team in the comp. ellard would be in the reserves of every team in the comp.

it is one thing to criticise a player relative to his own ability. another thing again to compare him unfavourably to someone who is nowhere near it.


Good post.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:54 pm 
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Bower.....Grigg.....Joseph.....Jamieson.....Austin.....Scotland.....looking like a defensive unit to be reckoned with.


The subtext here is Thornton.

Yes we will move the ball quicker with Bret out rather than in, but Bower could have used Thornton to chop off against Roo. Austin did a pretty good imitation of Thornton defensively a few times.

It would be a pretty big call to trade Thornton given his form this year, but I'd be tempted to put it out there. I'm sure Bret would be able to deal with being shopped around - he's been known to look for greener pastures in the past.

I don't see why he couldn't adjust his game to bring runners into the game with quick handball or even carry the ball forward himself rather than prance around in circles and kick backwards.

If he can't do that, then let's look at getting picks 20 and 40 in an ordinary draft and move on. Austin has the attributes to do the Thornton role with more run more offense and more size.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:22 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Warby wrote:
Bower.....Grigg.....Joseph.....Jamieson.....Austin.....Scotland.....looking like a defensive unit to be reckoned with.


The subtext here is Thornton.

Yes we will move the ball quicker with Bret out rather than in, but Bower could have used Thornton to chop off against Roo. Austin did a pretty good imitation of Thornton defensively a few times.

It would be a pretty big call to trade Thornton given his form this year, but I'd be tempted to put it out there. I'm sure Bret would be able to deal with being shopped around - he's been known to look for greener pastures in the past.

I don't see why he couldn't adjust his game to bring runners into the game with quick handball or even carry the ball forward himself rather than prance around in circles and kick backwards.

If he can't do that, then let's look at getting picks 20 and 40 in an ordinary draft and move on. Austin has the attributes to do the Thornton role with more run more offense and more size.



Thornton reads the ball coming in beautifully... a plus
Thornton is too slow to move it on and too short... a cross.

We need players that can move the ball on... cos even if TBird is helping out as the extra man... by the time he moves it on the opposition has had time to set up... we cant afford that.
When the game was played in the trenches StKilda took the ascendancy., when there were less ball ups and stoppages ... we killed them...!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:47 pm 
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St Kilda, based on last night's game, no chance of a premiership this year.


nor last year for that matter, or any of the 42 preceding years

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