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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:56 am 
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Hey Melvey, NEWSFLASH; I'm tipping the players are hurting.

Don't forget the views here are not from the playing group.

Oh and thanks for your glass half empty views once again.

Super effort Blues. The Saints are two years ahead of us in their development.

And the end of the night they knew we were coming!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:36 pm 
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A lot of positives from tonight but man, it hurts to watch us go down again by a close margin. I slept in this morning replaying the horror in my head and hoping Hoops would kick that goal, but he never did. 95% of the boys put everything on the line last night, to a degree I haven't seen for a long time - led by an unbelievably aweinspiring effort from Juddy. Made me proud. We are getting closer. Huge game by AJ, loved it, thought Grigg stepped up, Browne was great (apart from cleaning up Juddy unfortunately!), Gibbs was missing early but had a very solid second half. Bower obviously had his colours lowered by Revolting early but was gutsy in coming back to probably take the points in the second half. Jamo was great on Kosi. Banno made his selection worthwhile and might even hold his spot after the break. Stevo. I thought he was badly missing for most of the game but probably the last quarter and a half he stepped up his intensity and showed some desperation. Is it just me, or does Stevo seem to just cruise along until we are in trouble and then decide to have a crack? I feel like this is his modus operandi now and it's not what we want from a senior player and leader of the club. Setanta got off Blake, but it's always such a lottery when he gets the ball I'm not sure my ticker can take it anymore. Loved the pass to Fev and his solo effort for a goal though. My boy Garlett, extremely nice goal early, and fantastic forward pressure, but his weight is an issue, he gets knocked off it too easily. I think he's a big part of our future and I absolutely love the kid, but right about now, I am honestly just not sure. I hate to say it, but with Thornton in, we may have just got over the line. Shame Milne and Gilbert got up for the game too. Made a difference.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:05 pm 
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I think we have to remember with the exception of King for Stkilda that was as good as get gets

We were missing some serious quality in Waite and Walker and lost structure losing Thornton then there is the te unknown in Warnock

If the Saints dont win this year they wont being winning it next year or the year after

they can only go down hill from here we are going up

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:06 pm 
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Can't believe that AJ was not named in the best players in either The Hun or The Age. :roll:

Do these journo's who probably get paid a shit load watch the game from the bar or are we all who post on here mugs :?:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:25 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
Molly wrote:
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Every Single Lad who pulled on the navy blue guernsey last night was a hero

Be proud of every single one of them. They deserve it.


BE PROUD OF WHAT????

NEWSFLASH: WE LOST

Why are we giving the boys a pat on the back for losing. Great effort yes but the lengths people are going to praising the boys as an honorable loss is a joke.

Our boys should be hurting, they should be thinking they need to come out against the Bombers next week desperate for a WIN

All we want is to win games of football. NOT HONORABLE LOSSES and accept mediocrity

Like Dermie said when playing for the Hawks in the eighties no way in hell would a loss be accepted as honorable and they all felt absolutely gutted about it with the supporters let them know about it to. Where as when he played for the Pies, he couldn't believe the mediocre support from celebrating supporters when the club had an honorable loss back at the pies social club. A loss should never be accepted

Great effort from the boys but at the end of the day we lost a game we could have won. NOT GOOD ENOUGH


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:26 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
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Ryan Houlihan showed why he wont be apart of any of our September campaigns of the future- he simply cant handle big pressure games.


Watch the game again Hank...then tell me what Hoops did...he was one of our better players given the role the coaches wanted from him...good, honest performance, stuck to his task for 4 quarters and beat his opponent.


He beat Sam Fisher easily


Exactly.

I was impressed with his pressure and 2nd, 3rd efforts not just by him but by everyone. I didn't think we could do that for 4 quarters (OK we took 15 minutes to get going)).

There's good signs from this team.

I can't help but think that If only we had Waite like they had Reiwoldt and I have no doubt we would have got over the line.

Houla could have won the game with that shot last shot at goal and should have, but then again Fev missed 2 easy ones and Betts another. Got to take our chances.

Very impressed with Browne tonight...he's won me over, and Austin was great. Aussie's pace should not be underestimated, and I like the backline without Thornton and I'm a Thornton fan.

Well done to Banno on his return and the best game I have seen Setanta play; he's coming on. Setanta just has to be confident to attack the game and make decisions quickly...get back off the mark for instance. Maybe his decision making will not develop any further and that's what I think may play against him with a full list.

If we played like that against the Swans we would have killed them and against the Crows we would have made a contest and against Freo, Hawks and Bombers we would have cleaned up. As long as we keep improving and getting stronger individually and as a team, we are going to be a bona fide contender for a flag soon.

We should have won. :cry:

Bloody proud of the kids and "they know we're coming".

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:31 pm 
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molsey wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Molly wrote:
Newsflash:

Every Single Lad who pulled on the navy blue guernsey last night was a hero

Be proud of every single one of them. They deserve it.


BE PROUD OF WHAT????

NEWSFLASH: WE LOST

Why are we giving the boys a pat on the back for losing. Great effort yes but the lengths people are going to praising the boys as an honorable loss is a joke.

Our boys should be hurting, they should be thinking they need to come out against the Bombers next week desperate for a WIN

All we want is to win games of football. NOT HONORABLE LOSSES and accept mediocrity

Like Dermie said when playing for the Hawks in the eighties no way in hell would a loss be accepted as honorable and they all felt absolutely gutted about it with the supporters let them know about it to. Where as when he played for the Pies, he couldn't believe the mediocre support from celebrating supporters when the club had an honorable loss back at the pies social club. A loss should never be accepted

Great effort from the boys but at the end of the day we lost a game we could have won. NOT GOOD ENOUGH


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ARe you referring to me Molsey? :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:31 pm 
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molsey wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Molly wrote:
Newsflash:

Every Single Lad who pulled on the navy blue guernsey last night was a hero

Be proud of every single one of them. They deserve it.


BE PROUD OF WHAT????

NEWSFLASH: WE LOST

Why are we giving the boys a pat on the back for losing. Great effort yes but the lengths people are going to praising the boys as an honorable loss is a joke.

Our boys should be hurting, they should be thinking they need to come out against the Bombers next week desperate for a WIN

All we want is to win games of football. NOT HONORABLE LOSSES and accept mediocrity

Like Dermie said when playing for the Hawks in the eighties no way in hell would a loss be accepted as honorable and they all felt absolutely gutted about it with the supporters let them know about it to. Where as when he played for the Pies, he couldn't believe the mediocre support from celebrating supporters when the club had an honorable loss back at the pies social club. A loss should never be accepted

Great effort from the boys but at the end of the day we lost a game we could have won. NOT GOOD ENOUGH


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checked out the new site rules yet mols? :smile:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:34 pm 
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TheSilentLurkerType wrote:
I don't want to take what is essentially the shine off a good game despite the result, however, Houlihan's last quarter was certainly nothing to be proud of. The panicked hospital handball over the top to Judd in the forward 50 to avoid contact, and then a bit later when hes either paddled the ball on or chipped it along the ground straight to, as BH has pointed out, 3 uncontested St Kilda defenders, rather than put his head over it, were just plain frustrating.

All things considered, I'd be dropping him well before Garlett for the Bombers game, possibly for Thornton, and play Thornton or Austin forward instead.



Come on. Fair suck of the sav.

That happened a few times to a few of our players, but I commended that because it seemed like they were taking on the game and taking risks. Ratts told them to be proactive and take the game on.

You should take a good look at Houla's skills by hand and foot...except that last shot at goal...that's when I lost it. I know he kicked it from 55, but I expect goals from there from Houla...that's my only disapointment with him.

In fact I was happy with everyone's commitment on the night. There's a couple I'd have ahead of Houla for Thornton, but I am really happy with the MC at the moment and will back their call.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:36 pm 
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Molsey I applaud your post 1000%

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I agree with your post 1000%


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I wholeheartedly support your post 1000%

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I also am not saying which post in these 12 pages I applaud, agree and wholeheartedly support. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:36 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
TheSilentLurkerType wrote:
I don't want to take what is essentially the shine off a good game despite the result, however, Houlihan's last quarter was certainly nothing to be proud of. The panicked hospital handball over the top to Judd in the forward 50 to avoid contact, and then a bit later when hes either paddled the ball on or chipped it along the ground straight to, as BH has pointed out, 3 uncontested St Kilda defenders, rather than put his head over it, were just plain frustrating.

All things considered, I'd be dropping him well before Garlett for the Bombers game, possibly for Thornton, and play Thornton or Austin forward instead.



Come on. Fair suck of the sav.

That happened a few times to a few of our players, but I commended that because it seemed like they were taking on the game and taking risks. Ratts told them to be proactive and take the game on.

You should take a good look at Houla's skills by hand and foot...except that last shot at goal...that's when I lost it. I know he kicked it from 55, but I expect goals from there from Houla...that's my only disapointment with him.

In fact I was happy with everyone's commitment on the night. There's a couple I'd have ahead of Houla for Thornton, but I am really happy with the MC at the moment and will back their call.


So you're happy if our defensive half forwards (whoever they may be) don't score goals as well as contain their opponents?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:37 pm 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
Take a number Lurker. The umpires, in particular McBurney and Vozzo were flowering woeful.

3 times with my binoculars they hesitated to blow the whistle for a Carlton free when the free was there to see.

They helped the Saints in the first qtr with some shocking decisions.


I counted more watching the game on the screen.

No doubt the frees they missed cost us dearly as the ball went to their forwardline for a score' usually a goal.

No disrespect towards the umpires, but their bias and influence on the outcome is shameful.

Shame Umpires Shame.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:14 pm 
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I think alot of saints supporters was very quite last night after the game in my opinion and i believe they was going to into the game as if we going to get a flogging from them...

i reckon we blues matched them up pretty well considering the umpiring of the game was all 1 sided and we hard to really earn our way back into the game and to get all so close to beating them...

I am proud of our boys to turn the game around from the poor 1st 1/4 which was never going to be easy against a full side of St kilda who are at there best right now

i feel that there was only 1 or 2 guys that let us down last night and i may even be harsh in saying this

i really think Nick Stevens has go back to the bullants for awhile is not looking real comfortable out there at the moment... I think stevens is a great player and can be good for our team but he has to learn that is not just about him and his individual needs it is a team sport and needs to play the team game...i feel he has to start going in hard for the ball then standing back waiting for it to happen ...he played an ok last 1/4 but the rest of 3 terms he was not at his best...time for a spell for stevens it may hurt Carlton to do this but i reckon we all will be better of in the long term for him and the club...

Seriously thou i thought we would have lost by 2-3 goals last night but to be only 9 points at final siren was good... 9 point loss i can handle that and i dont think it has hurt our chances yet to play a finals game this year...

our players can stand tall and be proud of how they played they went in there and gave it there all if not a bit more and you can't ask much more then that except for a win considering the hand we was dealt by vosso and his sidekick


Ratts said that the MC made a decsision to keep Stevens outside and have him ready to throw in the guts when the call up came.

I thought Stevo was aggressive at the ball and the man. I was satisfied with his efforts, he didin't set the world on fire but some of those dummy passes were sublime.

He was a good contributor imo. Not sure what his opponent did.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:20 pm 
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budzy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
TheSilentLurkerType wrote:
I don't want to take what is essentially the shine off a good game despite the result, however, Houlihan's last quarter was certainly nothing to be proud of. The panicked hospital handball over the top to Judd in the forward 50 to avoid contact, and then a bit later when hes either paddled the ball on or chipped it along the ground straight to, as BH has pointed out, 3 uncontested St Kilda defenders, rather than put his head over it, were just plain frustrating.

All things considered, I'd be dropping him well before Garlett for the Bombers game, possibly for Thornton, and play Thornton or Austin forward instead.



Come on. Fair suck of the sav.

That happened a few times to a few of our players, but I commended that because it seemed like they were taking on the game and taking risks. Ratts told them to be proactive and take the game on.

You should take a good look at Houla's skills by hand and foot...except that last shot at goal...that's when I lost it. I know he kicked it from 55, but I expect goals from there from Houla...that's my only disapointment with him.

In fact I was happy with everyone's commitment on the night. There's a couple I'd have ahead of Houla for Thornton, but I am really happy with the MC at the moment and will back their call.


So you're happy if our defensive half forwards (whoever they may be) don't score goals as well as contain their opponents?


No.

But if that's what the coach expects I'll back him.

It would be good to have Carrots and Houla snag a couple each; Carrots nearly did and Houls should have.

Look I was just so proud of the Navy Blue that I can't really criticise anyone other than the umpiring.

Perhaps I didn't see the opportunities they missed. I've seen the game twice, and I'll have another look with a more critical eye.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:49 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
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Ryan Houlihan showed why he wont be apart of any of our September campaigns of the future- he simply cant handle big pressure games.


Watch the game again Hank...then tell me what Hoops did...he was one of our better players given the role the coaches wanted from him...good, honest performance, stuck to his task for 4 quarters and beat his opponent.


He beat Sam Fisher easily


Exactly.

I was impressed with his pressure and 2nd, 3rd efforts not just by him but by everyone. I didn't think we could do that for 4 quarters (OK we took 15 minutes to get going)).

There's good signs from this team.

I can't help but think that If only we had Waite like they had Reiwoldt and I have no doubt we would have got over the line.

Houla could have won the game with that shot last shot at goal and should have, but then again Fev missed 2 easy ones and Betts another. Got to take our chances.

Very impressed with Browne tonight...he's won me over, and Austin was great. Aussie's pace should not be underestimated, and I like the backline without Thornton and I'm a Thornton fan.

Well done to Banno on his return and the best game I have seen Setanta play; he's coming on. Setanta just has to be confident to attack the game and make decisions quickly...get back off the mark for instance. Maybe his decision making will not develop any further and that's what I think may play against him with a full list.

If we played like that against the Swans we would have killed them and against the Crows we would have made a contest and against Freo, Hawks and Bombers we would have cleaned up. As long as we keep improving and getting stronger individually and as a team, we are going to be a bona fide contender for a flag soon.

We should have won. :cry:

Bloody proud of the kids and "they know we're coming".


Hey Bondi, how did Jamo perform on Kosi last night? Big unit that guy. :razz:

Seriously, great to see Jamo playing well on the bigger units again, I'm sure the MC will be thrilled that his shoulder held up so well. Now for that flower Lloyd.....

Bower, Jamo, Aussie, Tex, AJ, Browney, T-Bird etc what a backline for the future. Will be the best in the AFL by a looooong way.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:50 pm 
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With the emergence of Austin, Thornton is the perfect medium-tall to play across HF. Has defensive skills to negate, is a good o/h mark and his kicking is OK. Bret THornton is the new Brad Fisher. Remember the way Richard Dennis used to play across hf?. Throw in Garlett, Betts, Robinson, Hoops etc to swoop and Carlos as the X, Y and Z factor and we have one seriously potent forward line.
PS. 5-7 minutes each qtr, rotate, Kruze, Hammer and carlos from ruck to chf and with midfield supply, we could be anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:10 pm 
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I don't buy this accepting mediocrity thing. Compare the reaction after the Hawks and Saints games to the reaction after the Essendon* and Freo games. Almost identical results - terrific performances in two of them against hardened quality teams which IMO bode well for future finals campaigns, and recognised as such by most supporters. We know we're far from the finished article, but going on those two games, we're on the right track.

Two mediocre performances in games we should have won - I don't remember many here accepting those results. Angry would be more like it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:12 pm 
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With the emergence of Austin, Thornton is the perfect medium-tall to play across HF. Has defensive skills to negate, is a good o/h mark and his kicking is OK. Bret THornton is the new Brad Fisher. Remember the way Richard Dennis used to play across hf?. Throw in Garlett, Betts, Robinson, Hoops etc to swoop and Carlos as the X, Y and Z factor and we have one seriously potent forward line.
PS. 5-7 minutes each qtr, rotate, Kruze, Hammer and carlos from ruck to chf and with midfield supply, we could be anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The best thing about this emerging backline is that we could seriously consider putting Waitey back in as a permanent chf...who could possibly be better?I reckon he'd end up being better than Saint Nick at it cos of his defending experience.
Thornton too.....if he wants it.
I have great faith in Hoops and Setant in the meantime,and still think Cloke could be used as CHF for awhile too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:22 pm 
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molsey wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Molly wrote:
Newsflash:

Every Single Lad who pulled on the navy blue guernsey last night was a hero

Be proud of every single one of them. They deserve it.


BE PROUD OF WHAT????

NEWSFLASH: WE LOST

Why are we giving the boys a pat on the back for losing. Great effort yes but the lengths people are going to praising the boys as an honorable loss is a joke.

Our boys should be hurting, they should be thinking they need to come out against the Bombers next week desperate for a WIN

All we want is to win games of football. NOT HONORABLE LOSSES and accept mediocrity

Like Dermie said when playing for the Hawks in the eighties no way in hell would a loss be accepted as honorable and they all felt absolutely gutted about it with the supporters let them know about it to. Where as when he played for the Pies, he couldn't believe the mediocre support from celebrating supporters when the club had an honorable loss back at the pies social club. A loss should never be accepted

Great effort from the boys but at the end of the day we lost a game we could have won. NOT GOOD ENOUGH


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