YES

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I think losing Waite for the season has been Santy's salvation as he is a player who, on a much lower scale, offers the X factor that Waite does. Give him game time and more importantly a sense of being part of the team and he will grow very quickly into a very useful player.

last night was Santy best game for the club he has played
Still made two to three costly turnovers
managed to kick a goal when the heat was on -missed twoearly he should have got
marked better thanI have ever seen

based on last night being his best


I would say No

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Happy to keep playing him for the remainder of the season but clearly needs to stay forward.

If we are developing a back-line that doesn't include him, it's pointless and counter-productive to the cohesion of said back line to play him there every so often.

The gorilla in Brown was taken care of last week, without the Irishman.

Play him forward for the remainder of the season, instruct the players to honour his leads and take it from there.

Decide at season's end what he offers.

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Will be 27 at the start of next season, doesn't have a lot of trade value at present and has an x-factor about him. Can be versatile if we really need it, will take a one year deal and will come relatively cheap.

I don't see the problem? Who is he holding back?

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Another hot prospect like Angwin?

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Definately. Plenty of others in the firing line before him. Why would you not want to keep a veratile and athletic player of his height. If nothing else he is an insurance policy for a number of positions and has been very good the last few weeks with his delivery in F50 to spot up targets.
Keep playing him at CHF, he is becoming more of a handful by the week.

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Definitely YES.......he is our X Factor.

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The question was 'Should he be at Carlton next year'...my opinion is no, for all intent and purposes he shouldn't be. How many project players can you carry? We had 2 last night. Decision making is woeful, was lazy last night and does some things that just make me shake my head in disbelief...Will he be at Carlton next year? Of course he will. One year at a time.

Dr enjoy your contributions but cant agree about Setantas game last night thought he tried manfully - beat dawson who has had a good season thus far - created a contest -at least has athleticism when ball hits the ground - wont ever kick 4 0r 5 but kicked one good one last night - pass to Fev in the last quarter was good -handball and vision to MURPH in second created a goal - thought it was his best game for the year

I didnt think his game last night was of the sort you described but at Hawthorn game had a similar feeling ie baffling in some of his decision making and not clean with his skills

Given we have no other tall marking options cant see why he wouldnt be required next year but agree that he needs to be consistent and would probably be other than that line ball as to staying given his age skill base and development

What were you on last night?

Gives something every week he has been played and this is despite still not being used correctly IMHO.

Notice how the team has played more evenly across the board since the one glorious exclusion for the last couple of weeks? All the doomsayers who were predicting that we would be begging for the return of "he who shall not be mentioned" should apologise not only to the posters on here who have had to put up with their drivel but also players like Setanta who were languishing in the twos because opportunities were being given to players who simply are not up to it.

Can you imagine where Setanta would be at right now if he was given 31 games straight to play and own a position on the team?

I am a Setanta fan and so I hope he will, and we will have the Setanta haters who would rather us lose than have him play well. I would suggest his disposal is certainly solid and improving. He kicked poorly once or twice last night, anyone else do that? Imagine the furore if he had stubbed his toe on a kick like Army. The two goals he missed - the set shot he should have got and on his goalkicking ratio over his career would kick 3 out of 4. Anyone else miss gettable goals last night? His problem is in intuitively understanding the game. His ball handling and general skills are pretty good, his agility outstanding, but he can get lost as a forward. I thought he was very good last night, and maybe those who want him out can suggest a few alternative players?

And forget the old chesnut about 'would he play in a grand final side' let's face it plenty of ordinary players have, but it is about who is currently on the list and who we would be likely to bring in. Edwards, Harts, Cloke, would be out the door before him at this stage, and guys like Banno, Wiggo, AB, Hadley, Johnson, Fish and a few others have question marks. And after this year GC get about 100 picks per draft so the turnover of players will be much less.

He seems to have settled his problems with the match committee, and if he follows instructions they may well persevere with him. Maybe the new Royce Hart is hiding somewhere on our list, quietly plying his trade with the Ants. If so I haven't seen him.

Forget Setanta's age, it is footy years and potential improvement that count. As a footballer he is about 14, and he is improving.

He needs to play solid games each week, and if he does that and keeps improving then he will certainly remain on the list. Being on the list is not the same as automatically being in the best 22, but when does the best 22 ever run out.

Better option than at least edwards, cloke, wiggo and hartlett at this point

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He could have kicked 3 or 4 last night.

Given the opportunity, he will and then he will gain a lot of confidence.

IMO he is a real team player always looking for the team mate running past or leading. Maybe he needs to back himself like when he started...just go for it...take them on.

I'll never forget his first kick...70 metres from the backline into the hands of the waiting opposition when we a really hopeless team full of retreads. I wonder what happened to that boom kick?

Miles ahead of Cloke, Hartlett, Edwards, Wiggo, AB...and sorry to say even Hadley (in his current slump) and probably Fish too.

That's just my opinion. My bet is if they did drop him off the list he would be picked up by another team on the cheap. He's not sucking us dry in the salary cap.

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Of course he'll be there next year. You don't invest 5 years into an Irish recruit & delist him in year 6 when he starts delivering on the investment. Especially when deliverance involves lead up marking 199cm forward with speed & goal-kicking ability. He's still no certainty to cut it long-term, but so long as he can remain injury-free for the remainder of the year, there's no way he won't be around in 2010.

Have to agree. One year contract is all I would give which is more of a reflection of our current predicament in the shortage of capable tall forwards. Rate Hartlett and Fisher and even Thornton ahead as forward marking options.

Hope he proves me wrong but his decision making is sub standard. He is a depth player and nothing more.

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"Decision making is woeful..." - you have lost me with that statement - his efficiency has been equal or better than most of the rest of the team in the last 2 weeks. OK, he hasn't gotten a lot of the ball, and did make a couple of errors last night (including body positioning near a couple of contests on the wing) but generally by foot i would say he is one of the better kicks at the club - including w.r.t. deciding who to kick it to.

If you want to talk about bad decision-making, i would start (from last night's game) with: (1) carazzo trying to beat a tackle rather than handballing to kreuze on the forward wing, resulting in a turnover and goal to STK (2) stevens trying to pick up scotland's handpass with one hand on the half back flank, resulting in a turnover and goal (3) armfield's positioning at the ball-ups in the first inside STK forward 50

Save setanta

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..i've always liked him up forward, he's got that natural attacking/instinctive game style, and he's looking the lightest and most nimble on his feet i've ever seen for him.. ..he's fast, and is taking high contested marks at full pace, with a tight double-handed plucking action out of the air which makes him hard to spoil legally.. ..can be a touch slow at times getting back off the mark to kick into the F50 but a game or two more will sort that out.. ..with Krooz/Hammer as our ruck combo (3rd tall resting ruck option) we should give the big Setant the CHF spot to see what he can make of it.. ..showing more than anyone else played thru there this year, and we don't have an injured CHF waiting to come in next year anyways.. ..he's fast, has mongrel and is starting to use his body a bit more.. ..had some physical presence vs the sainters..

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and the opposition have no idea what he is going to do (mainly b/c he also has no idea what he is going to do!)
remember, he is an elite sportsman from hurling. he has great vision as well as athleticism. as he continues to work our great game out, this will come to the fore. he showed massive improvement in contested marking last night. i think he also lifts the attitude of the team when he is playing.
i would delist cloke, edwards, hartlett ahead of the big irish.

should be interesting against Essendon*. when we last played them, i thought it was a big mistake not to pick setanta.