You can build a team around Kreuzer but you will never ever build a team around Rioli. The club would have been crazy to take Rioli at that point in time.

Who gives a crap if Selwood is better than Gandhi's brother's butler? He plays for Geelong. Who gives a shit about anyone who plays for Geelong?

Gibbs, at 20 years of age, is in the top 5 of all the stats listed for Carlton, playing in a side that has Judd, Murphy, Stevens, Carrazzo, Scotland, Simpson playing in the guts, whom all apart from Murphy have been around a long time. He's on par and even ahead of some. An absolute freak.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

How can you compare Rioli to Kruezer?

That's like comparing Libba to Plugger. Two completely different players with different attributes and different roles to fill while out on the ground.

Rioli is a good player, but I'm extremely happy with Kruezer. Apart from Cox, have you ever seen a 200cm man get around the ground like he does?

I like to believe we have a freak on our hands.

_________________
Writer for SuperCoach Paige www.scpaige.com.au
Twitter - @johnfeeney24

How can you make this statment and then go on to completely reverse your comment? Having a bet both ways?



Whilst I'm at it, I can't agree with you one bit with regards to Kruiser. There are plenty of small crumbing and talented forwards that make an impact in their first year or two, but I can't think of anyone making the impact that Kruise has made as a ruckman or 200cm player.
Comparing them both to Selwood and Rioli is a bit unfair as well.
Is it just a coincidense that both our no1 pick are being compared to premiership players in their first years? Des Headland shows that when you are drafted into a well drilled team in the premiership window and winning games that the culture accelerates your development and makes you look better than you really are.

..completely agree with another poster that stated the Gibblet is right where he should be, and is right on schedule.. ..he's also a fair way ahead of the rest of his draft (sans Selwood, who's overtaken a few drafts already, a bloody prodigy).. .... ..and to the other poster that has queries regarding the Krooz.. ..madness.. ..sure, Rioli is good (very good infact).. ..but he's sort of player is easier to come by that a player like Krooz.. ..and Krooz isn't on schedule, he's 2/3 years ahead of schedule.. ..far enough ahead of schedule some of us worry that we need to peg him back a little since he's body is still filling out and we don't wanna over-burden him..

_________________
..if you can't be good, be good at it..

I love Selwood and think he is going to be one of the best in the league for the length of his career. The man is a genius on the field and those that doubt this must be in denial. At this stage he is a fair way ahead of Gibbs.

I have to admit I was beginning to get a little frustrated with Gibbs the previous few weeks, but then I thought he played perhaps his best game for Carlton on Saturday night... or perhaps the best of what I want to see. He did some very nice things in tight situations and that's what we want - Centre breaks, creative play in close. Judd's freakish handball to him was awesome in itself but I was impressed that Gibbs was: 1. was prepared for it and 2. had the skill to utilise it. Was a great piece of play.

Agreed Stev C7.

I reckon Kreuzer is an infinetely better ruckman than both Selwood and Rioli combined.

Gibbs is better at doing what Gibbs is good at than Rioli and Selwood are.

They're all different and have a different impact in different areas of the game.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

If both Rioli and Kruezer were on the market at the end of 2009, most clubs would choose Kruezer first. Rioli is a 'better' player than Kruezer right now, but the importance of a big man of genuine quality to a team is never to be underestimated. Rioli may be better. But Kruezer will provide a more important role to his team.

Not seeing too many "Cotchin vs Kruezer" debates anymore, are we?

Same old, same old.
If you're not in and under you can't cut it.

Sellwood is playing in a different team, gets less pressure as a result and so he has the luxury of not going at 100% all the time.

Gibbs has never had the luxury Sellwood has had of being given a job and learning it week in and week out. Gibbs has has to play back, half back, tagger, occasional half forward and even full forward as well as midfielder in two and a half seasons.

It is unfair to make comparisons when the baseline conditions are not equal.

Wells has been disappointing for North but put him in Geelong and see how he goes.

I wish the talking players had not been closed down but it was the injecting of this type of continual and circular argument about the shorcomings of (Houlihan, Russell, Wiggins, insert other players' names) that contribued to it.

_________________
Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Like to see Selwood on Goodes

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Or Chad............

Selwood is averaging 30 disposals a game to Goodes' 21. Goodes would be the one doing the tagging.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

doubt it BV

take Selwood out of Geelong and someone else stands up

take Goodes out of Swans and they lose.

but that really wasn't the point

the point was look at Gibbs, at how he plays, what he can do better or should be doing etc

and let Geelong worry (or rejoice) in Selwood.

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Maybe Kruezer will be on the market this year, the club doesnt seem to be in any hurry to re-sign him! In fact we are not in a hurry to re-sign any of our players this year.
The "Cotchin vs Kruezer" debate will come up again when Cotchin has played a few more games, remember he has been injured for most of this season.

Here's the complete list of players over the last decade that Carlton wanted to keep, but lost:


1. Aaron Hammill

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

but yeah, sure, we're going to lose Kruezer because he doesn't have a new contract as of Round 11

I know we will not lose Kruezer but just pointing out that we seem to be the only club that has yet to begin re-signing any players.

How long is the list of players we wanted to keep that were in demand by other clubs this decade

Thornton, Kennedy ....

That boast might have warmed Big Jacks black heart in the 90s, but it's pretty meaningless now.

(the above ain't a comment on Kreuz et al BTW, )

Another great game from Gibbs and another game where he showed what I want to see from him...Clearance work was great and he has played with so much more confidence these last two weeks. I reckon the MC have told him to go out there and just play naturally. It's like a new person.

For mine, his best two games have been the last two weeks and he looks set for a big finish to 2009.

Gibbs is Buckley
Selwood is Voss

_________________
Better late than Cerra