Would you be happy if Yarran turned out as good as our coach? You know the guy that debuted in 1990 and was still being ridiculed in 1994 for being a slow back pocket player?

Seriously people, get some perspective please.

Some people in here are unbelievable. Watch the guy, he has no confidence at all. He's moved interstate (massive at 18 - how many of you did it?) after growing up in terrible circumstances. It's a success story in itself that he's made at to AFL level in the first place.

Did anyone watch him on Saturday? Sure his intensity at times was still ordinary (he has to think to defend, it isn't instinctive), but it wasn't as if he wasn't trying! He still picked up quite a few possessions and his kicking is brilliant, along with some good handballs. Leon Davis, my God how long did he take? JR for mine still hasn't achieved anything and this is his 5th year. Houlihan has had poor intensity and only now is he realising he has to lay tackles.

Afford him the same patience others have had before him. He's going to be a star, he just needs time to come out of his shell and realise he can dominate and make a name for himself.

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Excellent!

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well said that man!

give the lad a chance!!

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He reminds me of Shaun Burgoyne (who didn't really start to shine until late in his second year).
Yazz has very soft hands, great evasive skills and is a lovely kick. Obviously his weakness at this stage is his fitness and defensive side however it sounds like he is already improving in these areas.
Looking forward to him being a regular in the seniors next year.

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I've seen enough to know he has got something special, especially a footy brain (which is something I rate massively).

If it takes a few year to blossom to full potential so be it.

If it does take a while it will make for interesting times on the Carlton forums.

Whenever there is a man-boy picked after a longer term pick it will always cause ructions online.

I really like what I see with Rich, but I don't know how good he is going to be. I've seen similar 'levels' of potential with both Yarran and Rich from a few plays. Rich has had a full pre season and is a man-boy with short arms, Yarran has had an interrupted pre season on and off the field, but has normal arms.

If I was a betting man, and I am, the 5 year bonds on these two players would only be paying slightly in Rich's favour. Not enough to hang anyone, and the Yarran bonds have huge growth potential.

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has anyone forgotten about G Ablett Jr? Seriously first few years i thought he was a hack! he is now gathering 40+ possessions per game!

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Yarran has that mysterious thing people in footy circles like to call "the x-factor".
Rich is a good player already in his first year and is going to be an awesome player, but he won't have that indefinable something that more than a few of us can see in Yarran.

Rich's tiny hands freak me out.

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Yeah I retract things I said via email to some posters on here

I'm happy with Yarran now..... I hope we can try and get Eddie, Yarran and Garlett in the same team

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Although most won't see it that way that post has both good and bad points. While I think we were somewhat lucky to get Robinson at where we got him; I think the fact that we were all going on about how much of a 'steal' he was and how he made up for trading away our second pick tells us a bit about our impoverished position beyond our top handfull.

Forgive the idiom but We have yet to grab a draft by the scruff of the neck and really make a multi-pronged difference to our list in one single year. Considering we have been in poll position on more than one occasion, it's not like we haven't had our chances.

We need a combination of the fortune of the gods falling on us and clever planning.

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I think we have done well at the last few drafts.
half our team on the weekend were made up of draft picks from the last few years.
If you look back through our last few drafts we've had quite a good hit rate.

These 12 players have had big impact this year and 10 of them played on the weekend.

05
Murphy
Bower
(Kennedy traded in Judd deal)

06
Gibbs
Grigg
Hampson
Jamison
Austin

07
Kreuzer
Browne
Armfield

08
Robinson
Joseph
Garlett
(Could even include Sammy Jacobs)


Thats quite a lot almost the perfect mix of youth and experience especially in a year or 2.

I also think we have done really well to get Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer...three no.1's who have had an immediate impact and lived up to their status, something that is not always the case. In those 3 drafts alot of the top 10 picks havnt really had any influence or played any games at all.

2005
pick 6 Beau Dowler
pick 8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
pick 10 Marcus Drum

2006
pick 2 Scott Gumbleton
pick 3 Lachie Hansen
pick 4 Matthew Leunberger
pick 6 Mitch Thorp
pick 8 Ben Reid
pick 9 David Armitage

2007
pick 5 Jarrad Grant
pick 6 Danny Myers
pick 9 Ben McEvoy

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Why go and ruin whacky philosophy with facts ?

I think I agree with you, but at the same time I am never sure of what pafloyal is actually saying because it is so vague and ephemeral.

I think the stark results jt displayed for the last few years is proof enough, but there might be some existential recruiting philosophy I have missed?

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Don't get me wrong, I value the paf One paf post, packs more fun than the cryptic crossword

YARRAN WILL BE A STAR. HE'S JUST WHAT WE NEED FOR THE FUTURE

I disagree - we need him to play as a forward, otherwise we will have a fab 18 mid field with no one to kick the goals like geelong. We still need more goal kickers

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Well, if the worst thing that happens is that we end up like Geelong... I reckon I can just about live with that.

..see, in my opinion.. ..with the way the good crop of youngsters come on.. ..if it takes a few years for yer first round pick to start playing good footy.. ..you picked poorly.. ..and that's just the way it is, with the possible exception of ruck/kpp's.. ..but even the big lad's are starting to show something faster than they used to.. ..so, for a HFF to take a few years to start playing to their potential is just too long for a first rounder..

..now, i think Yarran has the skills to be a good player.. ..haven't seen anything to say he's gonna be a great player (yet).. ..so, if he's gonna be good, but his work ethic isn't up to scratch and so he takes a few years to come on.. ..he's not worth a first rounder.. ..i understand he's bottom aged, and had an interrupted pre-season so i'm happy, nay,, grudgingly content more like it,, to accept he may need a year to get settled but if he's not playing better, consistent footy next year then we bombed..

..at the moment, Robbo at pick 40 and Garlett a rookie are both ahead.. ..if they stay ahead next year, we paid too much for Yarran.. ..am hoping he comes good quickly, cos the longer he takes to play good footy, the more chance homesickness will see him return to W.A to start playing his good footy there instead of here.. ..the shame is, ppl like myself are _hoping_ he comes good.. ..and for me, flashy/silky skilled HFF's can be found later, or be traded for.. ..and to pick one up in the first round and have to wait years for them to play well could very well turn out to be our bad luck..

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Beautifully said.

He's not bad at all for his age and the journey he's been on.

Worthy of pick 6? Sure is. There's no guarantees that all of the top 10 are going to be stars.

I love the way Yarran weaves and kicks on both sides with class, but his handballing is a skill he can teach a few of our first 22.

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If that's how you value them then that's fair enough.

Yarran is bottom aged. You get them now, or you miss out.

He's been selected on his form as a HF, but not a good ordinary HF, because he had 70 shots in 13 games at WAFL playing as a 16-17yo. He's shown to the footy public that he isn't overawed at AFL level, at he's just turned 18 with an interupted preseason.

More importantly, when his tank is improved by a couple of preseasons (in readiness for 2011) he will be a silky player who can be thrown into the midfield. We all have seen what a fit (without a big engine) Bets can do when he has a cameo in the guts.

Plenty of time before we all start to drool.

Too young to judge.

2011 isn't too long for a baby to arrive. imo that's early, but I see your point of expectation in the current era. It's just not right to judge them that way imo.

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