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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:09 pm 
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I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:40 pm 
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Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Awesome new word Mars! :smoking: I agree I would have dropped Army first (but Russ was next on the list for me)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:52 pm 
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Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:19 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Awesome new word Mars! :smoking: I agree I would have dropped Army first (but Russ was next on the list for me)

Buffle buffle buffle :donk:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:21 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:44 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


I can point out a mistake that players make every week also, they all make mistakes, Judd makes mistakes, he kicked the ball out on the full under no pressure with his first kick of the game last week, he also missed his first few handballs under no pressure. Where is the Judd bashing?? What about Gibbs? he's made plenty of unforced errors over the past month i dont see anyone calling for him to be sent packing! They all make mistakes, JR for some reason cops it alot more than others and i feel it is unwarranted considering his first two months of the season were a huge improvement for him. Confidence is a big thing with him and you can tell as soon as the supporters get on his back during a game with the moans and groans he goes into his shell, if people would get off his back and let him learn and improve instead of singleing him out for every mistake he makes every week, many of them which aren't directly his fault, he and the team would be the better for it.

As for the comment that Armfield is in front of JR thats hilarious!! Did anybody see Armfield miss an open target from 20 metres under no pressure last week?? Not even a local footballer would miss that pass! he misses targets, fumbles and makes the wrong decision more than anyone in the side! Big deal that he takes the game on, i can take the game on also doesnt mean i should playing. Armfield should not be in the side in front of JR anybody that suggests otherwise has got the blinkers on with regards to Russell. Granted he's last few havent been as good as the first part of his season but those that cant see he's improving and that he offers a great deal to the side aren't watching the same game as me!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:46 pm 
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AJ will go to Rich. About time we gave the kid a week off.


Kangas didn't go near him last week.


I thought AJ might go to Hooper

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:49 pm 
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walkers a gun wrote:
aramari wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Awesome new word Mars! :smoking: I agree I would have dropped Army first (but Russ was next on the list for me)

Buffle buffle buffle :donk:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:59 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


^winner.

I'm slightly confident about this weeks game. I'm happy with the side (although I would have kept Austin dropped Army), really looking forward to seeing Grigg in action again

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:00 pm 
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This is a forum and my OPINION is that JR has had enough time, games, and development in the system, not to be playing the way he does. The fact that his fans think back longingly to that one quarter against Port Adelaide so many moons ago should give them some insight as to just how disappointing he has been. Again IMHO all the rookies that have debuted this year and some from last (Army & Browne) are well ahead of him, but hey that's just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Mars wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Mars wrote:
I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


I can point out a mistake that players make every week also, they all make mistakes, Judd makes mistakes, he kicked the ball out on the full under no pressure with his first kick of the game last week, he also missed his first few handballs under no pressure. Where is the Judd bashing?? What about Gibbs? he's made plenty of unforced errors over the past month i dont see anyone calling for him to be sent packing! They all make mistakes, JR for some reason cops it alot more than others and i feel it is unwarranted considering his first two months of the season were a huge improvement for him. Confidence is a big thing with him and you can tell as soon as the supporters get on his back during a game with the moans and groans he goes into his shell, if people would get off his back and let him learn and improve instead of singleing him out for every mistake he makes every week, many of them which aren't directly his fault, he and the team would be the better for it.

As for the comment that Armfield is in front of JR thats hilarious!! Did anybody see Armfield miss an open target from 20 metres under no pressure last week?? Not even a local footballer would miss that pass! he misses targets, fumbles and makes the wrong decision more than anyone in the side! Big deal that he takes the game on, i can take the game on also doesnt mean i should playing. Armfield should not be in the side in front of JR anybody that suggests otherwise has got the blinkers on with regards to Russell. Granted he's last few havent been as good as the first part of his season but those that cant see he's improving and that he offers a great deal to the side aren't watching the same game as me!



Read my post..........Like i said DON"T take it personally because he aint up to AFL standard that's My opinion.
That's one funny post.
How can someone that's been given automatic selection have NO CONFIDENCE?????
Maybe he's mentally weak????
Armfield is AHEAD of JR imo simple.
What so special that Russell offers to the team?????
I find it funny that whenever anyone has a negative opinion on Russell that there bias or have blinkers on :screwy:
Maybe your got bias towards Armfield>????????????????
How about Armfields kick in the dying stages against the hawks to Fev that almost won us a game.........Prob didn't see that hey.
You see i can't even comprehend how you would dare compare Russell to Gibbs or Judd laughable really.
Anyway i'm not getting into slanging matches like i said let's hope he plays well enough in the ants to warrant selection.
Lets see how we play sat night and i BET not one person will be saying after the match win, loose or draw that Russell would have made any difference to the oiutcome.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:11 pm 
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Is anyone going to the game tomorrow night? I am in Brissy for the weekend and am going to the Gabba for the first time.

I was just trying to book tickets then online, and it was telling me that there are 'single seats only' available for general reserved prices. The next category are double that price. Is it really likely that this game could sell out? Or are ticketek lying (like they did before Carlton v Richmond) and they will just re-release some general reserve tickets at a later stage?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:21 pm 
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A couple of posts regarding the omission of Russell are very, very disappointing. Disgraceful, really.

The vitriol directed his way is not only disappointing and disgraceful coming from within our own ranks but completely over the top. He's a footballer. The way a few too many celebrate his shortcomings and failures as such are quite sickening.

That's all.


Completely agree. It is an absolute disgrace to post such personally hurtful stuff (over the top celebration at his omission) about a guy who is just doing the best job he can for his club ... our club. Some justify their attitude by saying it is because of his continual selection (perception of protected species). The last time I checked Jordan Russell was not on the selection panel.

I am relatively new to TC. I really enjoyed the contagious optimism pre-season .... it got me excited about football again. But I am increasingly disappointed by the way that some TCers turn every time there is a sub-par performance. The negativity is often way over the top; and when we turn on our players with personal attacks like Jordan Russell has had to endure .... well I have had enough. This will be my last post.

The irony is that Russell is a better player this year (improvement over past years) and the effect has only been to draw more intense criticism than ever. I just hope he doesn't read this crap because his confidence, even self esteem, would be shot. Wouldn't yours?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but surely there are more constructive ways to do it. If you have an issue with selection how about an email to the club rather that slagging a bloke on a public forum. Also why are we so convinced we are smarter than those who run the club when we are not privy to what goes on inside the walls every day.

Leave this shit to Collingwood. We are Carlton. Go Blues!


Great post and spot on.

I agree with your sentiments at the way a lot of people on here carry on with regards to Jordan. Anyone who knows the kid (and I'm one) understands how much he loves this club. He puts in like every other player. Don't worry guys he knows what is written, hell he can hear the crap when he's out on the field. Does he take it personally, well he tries to ignore it, but this tidal wave of abuse would wear anyone down.

This is one player who certainly doesn't play for the money. Such a shame that some other players with infinitely more ability don't put in like he does - on match days and at training.

Some of you need to take a good long hard look at yourselves. How easy it is to take pot-shots on boards such as this. I'm fed up with a site that has such little respect for a talented player that bleeds for this club.

He will come back from being omitted, purely because he belives far more in his abilities than you gutless lot.

Go blues this weekend and go Jordan Russell.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:25 pm 
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Can we please move on from discussing JR and his ommission this week and get back to discussing the game. :thanks:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:36 pm 
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I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.

Last weeks game he received an absolute shocking handball from a teammate in the back fifty, 9 out of 10 players would've fumbled the ball, JR didnt receive it cleanly yet somehow every blues supporter in the area blamed JR for the mistake, missing the fact the handball to him was a shocker!! This happened a number of times to him in the Hawthorn game also where delivery was poor yet somehow he is meant to gather possession cleanly! I dont know if people have seen Judds last two games, many mistakes in both, particularly Adelaide but because its the skipper and his name is Judd its let go. A bit of perspective, I think Russ has been one of our most improved players this year and i'll have him in my best 22 any day. How Armfield is in ahead of JR has buffled me, just because the bloke runs fast doesnt mean shit imo, he has worse disposal and decision making than JR by a long way and we'll be an ordinary side while blokes like him are in the side!

Good to see Grigg and Scotty back, I'm of the opinion Carraz may have needed a week at the Bullants but we''ll see how that pans out!


Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.


I can point out a mistake that players make every week also, they all make mistakes, Judd makes mistakes, he kicked the ball out on the full under no pressure with his first kick of the game last week, he also missed his first few handballs under no pressure. Where is the Judd bashing?? What about Gibbs? he's made plenty of unforced errors over the past month i dont see anyone calling for him to be sent packing! They all make mistakes, JR for some reason cops it alot more than others and i feel it is unwarranted considering his first two months of the season were a huge improvement for him. Confidence is a big thing with him and you can tell as soon as the supporters get on his back during a game with the moans and groans he goes into his shell, if people would get off his back and let him learn and improve instead of singleing him out for every mistake he makes every week, many of them which aren't directly his fault, he and the team would be the better for it.

As for the comment that Armfield is in front of JR thats hilarious!! Did anybody see Armfield miss an open target from 20 metres under no pressure last week?? Not even a local footballer would miss that pass! he misses targets, fumbles and makes the wrong decision more than anyone in the side! Big deal that he takes the game on, i can take the game on also doesnt mean i should playing. Armfield should not be in the side in front of JR anybody that suggests otherwise has got the blinkers on with regards to Russell. Granted he's last few havent been as good as the first part of his season but those that cant see he's improving and that he offers a great deal to the side aren't watching the same game as me!



Read my post..........Like i said DON"T take it personally because he aint up to AFL standard that's My opinion.
That's one funny post.
How can someone that's been given automatic selection have NO CONFIDENCE?????
Maybe he's mentally weak????
Armfield is AHEAD of JR imo simple.
What so special that Russell offers to the team?????
I find it funny that whenever anyone has a negative opinion on Russell that there bias or have blinkers on :screwy:
Maybe your got bias towards Armfield>????????????????
How about Armfields kick in the dying stages against the hawks to Fev that almost won us a game.........Prob didn't see that hey.
You see i can't even comprehend how you would dare compare Russell to Gibbs or Judd laughable really.
Anyway i'm not getting into slanging matches like i said let's hope he plays well enough in the ants to warrant selection.
Lets see how we play sat night and i BET not one person will be saying after the match win, loose or draw that Russell would have made any difference to the oiutcome.


Automatic selection?? I thought he held his position because he contributed in the first 8 weeks of the season, he now makes way because the last few weeks have been below the standard he's set in the first 8 weeks, which is a fair call and i dont disagree with the selection given the last two weeks output.

I havent got a bias towards any players and i call it as i see it, i've been as critical of JR in past seasons as anyone else, but when i see improvement in a player i like to give credit where its due and it would be pretty difficult to say JR hasn't improved.

As for comparing Gibbs and Judd to Russell whats the difference in critiquing a players performance? thats the problem you see, 22 players run out for the blues every week, some are treated as protected species while others cop the sting of the supporters every week for some reason, fairly or unfairly. I'll go as far as saying Judds below standard performance against Adelaide and his piss poor defensive efforts against Sydney went a long way to setting us on a losing path in those games. I'll challenge anyone to disagree. Yet Judds good work far outdoes his poor output and it gets bypassed. JR does alot of good work in games yet it seems to get overlooked by one or two mistakes he makes, i was unaware of players that operate at 90-100% efficiency but if you can point them out i'll gladly take a look. Everybody needs a scapegoat, JR is that for the majority of our supporters, he's an easy target because its taken him a little longer to come on. He's slowly doing that imo.

As for Armfields pick up the ball run ten metres and kick long to fev against Hawthorn, one swallow doesnt make a summer. He makes alot more mistakes than Russ and there is no way in the world he should be anwhere near the 22 with the amount of mistakes he makes. Worst disposal and decison making in the side.


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Russell's had a dream run of opportunity compared to some others since Ratts has taken over. It's debatable whether he's deserved the long run but he's been given a good go.

I find the criticism of Armfields selection strange as he's one of only a few who'll take the game on with his attacking rebound running. Yes he needs to tidy up his disposal and I think that will come with more experience with AFL tempo.
How many of those who've called for his head have been whinging about our slow and indecisive movement of the ball???

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Mars wrote:
Automatic selection?? I thought he held his position because he contributed in the first 8 weeks of the season, he now makes way because the last few weeks have been below the standard he's set in the first 8 weeks, which is a fair call and i dont disagree with the selection given the last two weeks output.

I havent got a bias towards any players and i call it as i see it, i've been as critical of JR in past seasons as anyone else, but when i see improvement in a player i like to give credit where its due and it would be pretty difficult to say JR hasn't improved.

As for comparing Gibbs and Judd to Russell whats the difference in critiquing a players performance? thats the problem you see, 22 players run out for the blues every week, some are treated as protected species while others cop the sting of the supporters every week for some reason, fairly or unfairly. I'll go as far as saying Judds below standard performance against Adelaide and his piss poor defensive efforts against Sydney went a long way to setting us on a losing path in those games. I'll challenge anyone to disagree. Yet Judds good work far outdoes his poor output and it gets bypassed. JR does alot of good work in games yet it seems to get overlooked by one or two mistakes he makes, i was unaware of players that operate at 90-100% efficiency but if you can point them out i'll gladly take a look. Everybody needs a scapegoat, JR is that for the majority of our supporters, he's an easy target because its taken him a little longer to come on. He's slowly doing that imo.

As for Armfields pick up the ball run ten metres and kick long to fev against Hawthorn, one swallow doesnt make a summer. He makes alot more mistakes than Russ and there is no way in the world he should be anwhere near the 22 with the amount of mistakes he makes. Worst disposal and decison making in the side.


The difference is that in each of those players cases you can actually point out many good things they have done as well in the last few weeks, Russell not so much the best defence i've heard for him so far is 'he plays his part'. The only improvement i've seen in him to be honest in the goal kicking, maybe takling, but he still goes to ground faster then any player out there. And you're right Armfield does make a lot more mistakes than JR buuut he has played what? 15 games? I'd much prefer to be groming a 15 gamer then Russell. Russell NEEDS to prove he deserves to be in the side, and hopefully after a couple weeks in the Bullants he can do that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:08 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
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I'm sick of all the Russell bashing seriously, he has been by no means our worst player this year, he has had two ordinary games imo. He makes way this week because of that and fair enough.




Who's fault was it when he kicked into the man on the mark when shooting for goal against freo???
What about in the hawks game back pocket once again into the man on the mark??
What about the adelaide game when he took ages to move the ball on only to kick it out on the full????
What about last week when he tried a fancy round the corner kick and yep you guessed it once again into the man on the mark...........

I can understand a fumble or 2 because you have PREASURE bearing down on you BUT there is NO EXCUSE for kicking into the man on your mark. Schoolboy errors and isn't up to AFL level.
I don't think anyone here gets personal it's all about the TEAM because the TEAM will always be bigger than any individual.........

IMO he had to go, remember he has had 30 odd games straight on the back of a good quarter here and there. Hardly warrents automatic selection which he has had.
For a player picked at 9 and the rapts where that he has pace and good disopsal along with good decision making skills he is failing on all area's bar tackling.
When was the last time he ran and bounced and carried the ball???????????
He always gives it off to someone near him as soon as he get's it.
Last week in the last quarter he recieved it out of the middle only to half stop and think about giving it to Stevo who was behing him until Stevo told him just bang it long and low and behold Fisher took a contested mark. He just does not have footy smarts.
A KID like Browne has shown way more in 2 years than JR in 5.
All this talk about him improving is correct BUT he is still nowhere near the level of AFL imo and he has been in the system for 5 years.

Armfield is way ahead of him. He runs, carries takes risks, chases hard and is a great tackler.

I read before that somone wrote that this is the best team on paper we have availabillty wise and i totally agree.

And don't take it personally because i support JR and want him to succeed like many many others BUT the simple fact is that he aint up to the level of AFL.
Let's hope he tears it up for the ants and get's back into the team on merit not on a free ticket.

Here here!
I heard it said on radio a few days ago,that he unfortunately falls somewhere between the 2's and the 1's.
That leaves him not quite anywhere really...which is unfortunate,but as Ratts believes in him,I'm sure he'll be back soon.
I just lke the things written in the quote here,because people mostly aren't being personal..they just want a great team ..and with the younger ones,they want to see plenty of improvement..enough that you can imagine the side actually playing in the finals.I think most people have been patient for a long time.
The bottom line is,if there wasn't a problem,there wouldn't be all this unrest and debate about it.Take Paul Bower...we can see the improvement,and its a real pleasure watching him grow each week.
If JR was doing the same,we wouldn't feel the way we do.
I'm sure his parents can feel extremely proud of him for coming so far,no matter what happens.
Also,plenty of players hit their stride at a later stage than anticipated.
If Russell doesn't make it in the seniors,there is always West Sydney,and the Gold Coast down the track.
I wish all the people attacking our view point would back off,as we are entitiled to our opinion,and are not personally attacking anyone.
it feels like the natural expression of quite a few blues supporters is being stifled by a handful of ardent jR supporters,who are over reacting to our NON personal comments,about what we are seeing and feeling.We should be free to post these things..and if he's out...we won't be commentating.And if he comes back,and is takes a giant leap..well I for one will be cheering him along with the rest of my beloved blues.
We are just passionate about our team,and want the best for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:13 pm 
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Juzzy wrote:
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Automatic selection?? I thought he held his position because he contributed in the first 8 weeks of the season, he now makes way because the last few weeks have been below the standard he's set in the first 8 weeks, which is a fair call and i dont disagree with the selection given the last two weeks output.

I havent got a bias towards any players and i call it as i see it, i've been as critical of JR in past seasons as anyone else, but when i see improvement in a player i like to give credit where its due and it would be pretty difficult to say JR hasn't improved.

As for comparing Gibbs and Judd to Russell whats the difference in critiquing a players performance? thats the problem you see, 22 players run out for the blues every week, some are treated as protected species while others cop the sting of the supporters every week for some reason, fairly or unfairly. I'll go as far as saying Judds below standard performance against Adelaide and his piss poor defensive efforts against Sydney went a long way to setting us on a losing path in those games. I'll challenge anyone to disagree. Yet Judds good work far outdoes his poor output and it gets bypassed. JR does alot of good work in games yet it seems to get overlooked by one or two mistakes he makes, i was unaware of players that operate at 90-100% efficiency but if you can point them out i'll gladly take a look. Everybody needs a scapegoat, JR is that for the majority of our supporters, he's an easy target because its taken him a little longer to come on. He's slowly doing that imo.

As for Armfields pick up the ball run ten metres and kick long to fev against Hawthorn, one swallow doesnt make a summer. He makes alot more mistakes than Russ and there is no way in the world he should be anwhere near the 22 with the amount of mistakes he makes. Worst disposal and decison making in the side.


The difference is that in each of those players cases you can actually point out many good things they have done as well in the last few weeks, Russell not so much the best defence i've heard for him so far is 'he plays his part'. The only improvement i've seen in him to be honest in the goal kicking, maybe takling, but he still goes to ground faster then any player out there. And you're right Armfield does make a lot more mistakes than JR buuut he has played what? 15 games? I'd much prefer to be groming a 15 gamer then Russell. Russell NEEDS to prove he deserves to be in the side, and hopefully after a couple weeks in the Bullants he can do that.


Russell is never going to be Chris Judd, so when supporters expect his output to be 35 possies, 2 goals, 8 clearances, 7 i50's, you're going to be disappointed. If he gives us 15 - 20 possies a game thats a good output, the first 8 weeks he did that and he did his job defensively. Against Adelaide he had a shocker both offensively and defensively, last week he was down also, hence he makes way this week to regain his form, fair call as i've said.

I'm not to sure what more people expect out of him than what he gave in the first 8 weeks, i thought he was doing his job, obviously the coaches and mc agreed during that period!

Good to see Scotland back this week, would've liked to have seen Aussie stay in but he'll be back!


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