I suggest we are getting better simply because of the following. Aside from playing the Cats and the Saints.....If we were playing any one of the other 13 teams this weekend and someone could gaurantee that the Blues play with the same intensity they showed in Rounds 1 and 2 this year, for the full 4 quarters would you think that we were a fair chance of a win?

I'd say yes. What about you?

Regards Cazzesman

If you keep your rose coloured glasses on and watch bue .. you get Freo..

You started this pros and cons thread and then pre empted any attack on any cons..

Look ... your case is we shouldnt have a gameplan... but its coming.... its coming... we dont know when but its going to come.

i just want a gameplaN... and i dont see it coming...

Didnt go but i did check out the Bullants thread played today... andi did ask a couple of weeks ago how is Teague coaching?
I got blasted for asking it....
But what i see is confusion and over possession in the AFL and same in the VFL.
See i dont care about 4 points just patterns or styles of play...

Now i always will come back to the same thing...

How were the coaches chosen and what are their qualifications?

Now i ask this cos there is something wrong going on around the club and its onfield performances...
Yet youre telling us everything is going according to plan..
BUT Ratts told us we had to make the finals this year and our promo was "They know were coming".
BUT... today he said we should all be more realistic with ourexpectations...

What im seeing is NO OVERALL IMPROVEMENT.. except whats organic improvement.. but not educated improvement...
And im seeing us riding the coat tails of Juddy alot...
And i see we need Fev to kick big bags...

Or we struggle...

Sure you can tell me i dont know what im talking about.. cos i dont see a gameplan... but can you EXPLAIN to us right now what were attempting to do so i can look for it???

Please??

Cos you know.... and noone else on this board does..

So can yu just begin with what were doing defensively... through the midfield and up forward??
When is it man on man and when is it a zone.. and why were breaking down in execution...

Thanks in advance...

Cos you know and we dont..

cazzesman,

I am not offended by your sentiments...but deeply concerned at your attitudes given the fact that you work at the club.

if everyone else working at the club continues to look through the same rose coloured glasses that you use, no wonder we are struggling to drag our club out of the mire !

this thread is pros and cons.....to acknowledge the good but more importantly identify the ugly which needs to be addressed in our pursuit to improve !

if the cons disturb you so much....avoid this thread !

in my opinion, many of the questions raised by posters of B Ratten re our gameplan and structures are well worth consideration....I hope someone, somehwere at the club are addressing the obvious deficiencies that exist !

If you keep your rose coloured glasses on and watch bue .. you get Freo..

You started this pros and cons thread and then pre empted any attack on any cons..

Look ... your case is we shouldnt have a gameplan... but its coming.... its coming... we dont know when but its going to come.

i just want a gameplaN... and i dont see it coming...

Didnt go but i did check out the Bullants thread played today... andi did ask a couple of weeks ago how is Teague coaching?
I got blasted for asking it....
But what i see is confusion and over possession in the AFL and same in the VFL.
See i dont care about 4 points just patterns or styles of play...

Now i always will come back to the same thing...

How were the coaches chosen and what are their qualifications?

Now i ask this cos there is something wrong going on around the club and its onfield performances...
Yet youre telling us everything is going according to plan..
BUT Ratts told us we had to make the finals this year and our promo was "They know were coming".
BUT... today he said we should all be more realistic with ourexpectations...

What im seeing is NO OVERALL IMPROVEMENT.. except whats organic improvement.. but not educated improvement...
And im seeing us riding the coat tails of Juddy alot...
And i see we need Fev to kick big bags...

Or we struggle...

Sure you can tell me i dont know what im talking about.. cos i dont see a gameplan... but can you EXPLAIN to us right now what were attempting to do so i can look for it???

Please??

Cos you know.... and noone else on this board does..

So can yu just begin with what were doing defensively... through the midfield and up forward??
When is it man on man and when is it a zone.. and why were breaking down in execution...

Thanks in advance...

Cos you know and we dont..

Now you can put that down to any number of things, but to gloss over it and say "could have", "would have", "should have", "might have" "will some day", is a cop out and to say that we've improved on the basis of two games against mediocre opposition is delusional.
We have a way to go, any Carlton supporter with a grip on reality knows that, but believing it will happen won't make it so.
There's as much chance that it won't.

I strongly doubt that Keogh. I mean I really, really strong doubt that.

Regards Cazzesman

That argument isn't valid.
It's akin to saying that if the player who takes a set off Nadal or Federer could play like that for 5 sets then he could win Wimbledon.
The fact is that we haven't played anywhere near as well as we did in the early rounds.
Now you can put that down to any number of things, but to gloss over it and say "could have", "would have", "should have", "might have" "will some day", is a cop out and to say that we've improved on the basis of two games against mediocre opposition is delusional.
We have a way to go, any Carlton supporter with a grip on reality knows that, but believing it will happen won't make it so.
There's as much chance that it won't.

Was the intensity and desire in those two games delusional? Doesn't matter whether you are playinhg a good team or a bad team, if the intensity of effort isn't there then we have no hope. The 1 half vs the 2nd half of the Crows game shows that fact.

Of course we have a way to go. We have plenty to go. My argument is that because I believe we are improving, if we have the required intensity and desire at the footy for 4 quarters then I believe we can run any team close to the wire.

Regards Cazzesman

More if you think that every other team is in the same boat. The AFL is not static and it kind of seems as if our preparation for each season is based on the one gone before instead of factoring in the future development of the competition as a whole. I have hope for the future but I think we seriously need a revision of were we are at and how best to move forward.

Having said all that, I think we are quickly forgetting that we just lost Waite for the season and having him in the side may have added to the scoreboard Friday night.

For starters, every club loses players to injury so it's no good hanging a hat on it.
Waite, and to a lesser extent Walker, are the only two serious injuries we've suffered since '07, and we played last year virtually with a full list, no club can bet on such a charmed run.
The main point you make is critical.
Every club goes to the same well in the draft, and although we have 3 number one's other clubs have their share of high picks as well.
Other clubs may also have had the benefit of years of stable and competent administration with the attendant recruiting, list management, player welfare strategies, disciplinary structures and the like, so it's reasonable to assume that we are no further along the road to success than other clubs, and possibly not as far.
The only answer is sheer hard work.

except whats organic improvement.. but not educated improvement...

Once again Cazzeman You cant judge someone by what buttons they push on a keyboard.

But let me tell ya about meeting my second wife.

After going out with her for about 6 months I asked her what she really liked about me besides my great personality and hairy chest. She said that I didnt hate my ex and I took responsibility for how I flower up my first go at wedding bliss. All the blokes my current wife went out with between her divorce and meeting me hated their exs and thought they were 100% right .

So there goes your theory. Anyway if you think you can judge a person by what they write on TC good luck to you