PRO:
Win
AJ, what a bonus.
Gartlett
Judd-What a massive coup getting him has been. He's ours, all ours.
Bower-I was a doubter but doubt no more
Austin gets better with every game
Hammer-Must stay at the club. It will be devastating to pour 3-4 years of development into him and loose him just when his about to peak.
Murph, A genuine Carlton champ in the making

CON
Some kicking for goal and disposal.
Anything else would be nit picking

PRO:
Bower
we won

CON:
we won, which means a quiet week when everyone thinks we're hunky-dory again

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Nice to have a win

Pros
A few maligned players played well.
AJ, cant speak more highly of him, he tackled and harassed Kerr all night
Fev return in form
Austin and Hammer played well and show great signs for the future.
Stevens
Fisher, people ask where has he been all year? Up until the last week in the bullants, from all reports he's been recovering from his injury slowly and lacked form. Was good last night.
Good to see Judd get another win against his old mob.
All 4 ins played their part and justified selection.

Cons
Hmmm woulda been nice to win by a few more goals, but any 41point win is good (despite the game being over at half time).

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Just as the tv evangelists and corporate gobblygook motivators will bore me to death. That's OK, it's an opinion based forum for all of us.........all of us.........ALL OF US. Long live free speech.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

He's strong, quick, good overhead and good defensively, none of those strengths are supposed.
Whether he's worth his place in the team based on those criteria is a matter of opinion, but as it stands the coach and match committee seem to think that he is.
If you're asking for a personal opinion, I believe that as of this week he's worth his spot.
When Walker, Grigg, Scotland, Carrazzo, Hadley and Yarran are all in line for senior selection it may be a different matter.

Pros
AJ - hardnut
Armfield - can butcher it but love his endeavour
Steve Browne - again hard at it and improving
Austin - brave, strong overhead and balanced, may struggle for pace in defence but a player
Bower - been a fan and he is getting better and better - in fact our best defender
hammer - again another guy I really like and is coming along well. HAve wondered why we went so hard after Warnock when we have Big K and hammer with Sauce in reserve. Hammer matched Cox in ruck and palmed well even tho he didn' always get the range right, and shows exciting glimpses around the ground
Houlihan - didn't think he deserved to be back but was good I thought
Fish - using him correctly - needs to play clsoe to goal where his marking hurts. His kicking was good too
Setanta - my favourite but thought he played his best team game and ran himself to exhaustion in a thankless role - playing decoy to create space, sprinting continuously 100mteres into defence to fill hole, picking up Cox when he was lose on the Carlton forward line and playing 40% as a key defender. I reckon the coach would be happy with the way he followed instructions
Judd as always, just a class above
Murph and Big K - Gibbs needs to lift to catch the other #1s
TBird - much maligned but very creative

Cons
Going into our shell and playing short at times
Failing to take the first option
Holding the ball until called to play on then bombing high and not very long
Jamo looks injured, certainly struggling
Stevo was pretty good, but will be exploited at half back because he is so weak overhead

Rest your case my friend but I agree with Synbad we are lacking structure and game plan.

True or False

I know Kruze is good in the ruck but I would like to see him at CHF, Fev FF and crumbers such as Houlihan, GArlett, Yarren, Betts etc at their feet. Kruze will straighten us up and provide another avenue. We have tried Wiggins, Cloke, Setanta and even JR as a lead up forward - lets start building a forward line. The top sides all have a set forward line. I know we are waiting for 206 but who knows when he will be right. In the mean time Hammer is improving and may be Setanta can help him out.

Early in the year we were playing attacking football using the corridor now we seem to have lost confidence and prefer to chip to a safe otion sideways or further back. The top three teams and Essendon* all seem to be playing attacking football breaking the lines and the flood.

Positives for me:

Josephs attack and speed
Austin - big body and has some grunt and physicality
Bower prepared to break the lines
Judd and Murphy
Hammer getting confidence and showing good signs
Brown and Armfield attack on the ball and player

Again I rest my case your Honor.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

You make it sound as if I can stop you having an opinion. You have me confused with someone who has power on this site. My opinion is some will bore me to death. If you enjoy the repetitive...'we're flowered' posts then you will now doubt have plenty to absorb. Enjoy.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

One week at a time Cazz
i watched the Lions against the Kangas who will probably finish bottom four
Bradshaw and Brown kicked 3 between yet they won away easily
I reckon we will lose by 25+ not because I am a miserable cauliflower but because I just reckon we will.

Give us a points margin rather than taking pot shots at posters

Hope I am proved wrong

cazzesman,

I am not offended by your sentiments...but deeply concerned at your attitudes given the fact that you work at the club.

if everyone else working at the club continues to look through the same rose coloured glasses that you use, no wonder we are struggling to drag our club out of the mire !

this thread is pros and cons.....to acknowledge the good but more importantly identify the ugly which needs to be addressed in our pursuit to improve !

if the cons disturb you so much....avoid this thread !

in my opinion, many of the questions raised by posters of B Ratten re our gameplan and structures are well worth consideration....I hope someone, somehwere at the club are addressing the obvious deficiencies that exist !

False. What we are lacking is abit of class, experience, time and player development. Synbad seems to think there is some sort of magic wand that can be waved. So we just add water and the players will instantly be smarter, quicker, more skilled and never fatigue.

You talk about structure, but like any team sport Ratts and the MC are trying to find a best fit with a mixed bag of people who have various strengths and weaknesses both mentally and physically. It takes time.

We needed to firm up the backline after 08 and we have done it. We needed to firm up the on ball divison and we have done it. The absence of Walker, Warnock, Grigga and now Waite don't help with getting a solid structure. The MC is still trying to find out who can play and who can't when the pressure is on. List management is a constant work in progress over many years.

Of course Ratts has a game plan. You only have to go to training to see the way he wants us to play. It's one thing wanting and another thing doing when the pressure is on. With a young team that isn't highly skilled it can be abit like holding back the leaking dam wall at times. You fix 1 leak and another appears. The backs are going okay but the forwards can't kick straight. The onballers go okay but the backs have a bad day.

You are trying to get 22 individuals all pointing in the same direction at the same time for 120 minutes. Sounds easy doesn't it.

Ratts, Harvey, Brads, Monty and Lappo weren't stupid footballers. They were actually highly intelligent footballers who all got the very best out of themselves over long careers. They aren't stupid people. Why would anyone think they aren't working overtime trying to get things right now?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I strongly doubt that Keogh. I mean I really, really strong doubt that.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I'm struggling to work out exactly what 'case' CM is trying to rest.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I think his point is perhaps that we need to consider where we're coming from and how long it will REALISTICALLY take us to get there. Some people post here as if we are a realistic flag threat this year. We're not. Finals (i.e. eighth) will be a decent step forward for one of the youngest teams in the comp. The way people crap on about structure as if it's something that Ratts can hand out a picture of and then expect it to be perfect in 5 minutes. You don't learn without making mistakes. 2 years ago a 7 goal loss was not such a bad weekend, now a 7 goal win is meaningless. Listening to many on here you'd think that means we're going backwards.

We need Daniel Rich or Jack Ziebell

Nah they're all taking the week off thinking they have done a great job thus far.

I don't have rose coloured glasses I have realistic glasses. Synbad and Keogh will tell you the reality is that CFC is crap because of Ratts and the MC. I simply tell you that we are a team that is coming from a long way back and we are slowly getting better.

I suggest we are getting better simply because of the following. Aside from playing the Cats and the Saints.....If we were playing any one of the other 13 teams this weekend and someone could gaurantee that the Blues play with the same intensity they showed in Rounds 1 and 2 this year, for the full 4 quarters would you think that we were a fair chance of a win?

I'd say yes. What about you?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

If you keep your rose coloured glasses on and watch bue .. you get Freo..

You started this pros and cons thread and then pre empted any attack on any cons..

Look ... your case is we shouldnt have a gameplan... but its coming.... its coming... we dont know when but its going to come.

i just want a gameplaN... and i dont see it coming...

Didnt go but i did check out the Bullants thread played today... andi did ask a couple of weeks ago how is Teague coaching?
I got blasted for asking it....
But what i see is confusion and over possession in the AFL and same in the VFL.
See i dont care about 4 points just patterns or styles of play...

Now i always will come back to the same thing...

How were the coaches chosen and what are their qualifications?

Now i ask this cos there is something wrong going on around the club and its onfield performances...
Yet youre telling us everything is going according to plan..
BUT Ratts told us we had to make the finals this year and our promo was "They know were coming".
BUT... today he said we should all be more realistic with ourexpectations...

What im seeing is NO OVERALL IMPROVEMENT.. except whats organic improvement.. but not educated improvement...
And im seeing us riding the coat tails of Juddy alot...
And i see we need Fev to kick big bags...

Or we struggle...

Sure you can tell me i dont know what im talking about.. cos i dont see a gameplan... but can you EXPLAIN to us right now what were attempting to do so i can look for it???

Please??

Cos you know.... and noone else on this board does..

So can yu just begin with what were doing defensively... through the midfield and up forward??
When is it man on man and when is it a zone.. and why were breaking down in execution...

Thanks in advance...

Cos you know and we dont..

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Back on the topic hey lads !!!!!!!!

Pros
Judd
Kruezer
Fev
Garlett
AJ
Simmo
Austin
Stevo
Fish
BOWER
Hammer



Cons
JR
Jamo
Kick Ins
Stop Look sideways footy
Over handballing

Once again Cazzeman You cant judge someone by what buttons they push on a keyboard.

But let me tell ya about meeting my second wife.

After going out with her for about 6 months I asked her what she really liked about me besides my great personality and hairy chest. She said that I didnt hate my ex and I took responsibility for how I [REDACTED] up my first go at wedding bliss. All the blokes my current wife went out with between her divorce and meeting me hated their exs and thought they were 100% right .

So there goes your theory. Anyway if you think you can judge a person by what they write on TC good luck to you