So were looking 6 years from now before they understand what theyre doing... cos till then they wont???
They might come out and say they know what theyre meant to be doing but it doesnt refect when theyre out there....

Are they playing football or studying Neurosurgery???

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

'snip'

Anyway you dont know me personally . iaint what you think I am but based on the last 7 weeks of footy I think our footy club is pretty miserable.

Rather give us your assessment what the value of
Thornton, Russell, Wiggins and Hadley in terms of AFL footy today

Youre not meant to see value in anyone right now... Everyone wanted to see the back of Thomson 7 years in and he delivered a premiership....

Were trying to mirror that plan.....

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

words in other people's mouths syndrome

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I quite liked the bit with Bailey on OTC last night. He had a perfect plan to stop the Hawthorn domination of clearances - mapped it out on the whiteboard, explained it to the players. And then there were three examples of them just not listening to what is being coached.

Maybe Ratts has a gameplan. Maybe it's fantastic. Maybe it's just not being followed because we have a stack of young blokes still learning their way in the world and falling back on old habits when the pressure is on.

_________________
The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Ok, but how do you know it was perfect if it wasnt executed?

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

_________________
“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

It seems that everyone is getting a tad frustrated at the moment with the perceptions of what we could/should be doing currently. I reckon the fact that Hawthorn got a flag so quickly has upped everyones expectations, therefore everyone seems to have forgotten that only 30 games ago we played in the "Kreuzer" cup, and were quite clearly the worst team in the competition.

Some other threads have asked the questions about whether youth is an excuse for where we are. I dont think it is unless the youth you are talking about is the same youth that we are all hoping will take us to a flag in 2-3 years - Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, kreuzer etc! this group of kids are the boys that we all believe (jury still out on Yarran) will be in the top 20-30 players in the comp when we are having a crack. A lot of teams have youth, but there arent many that have that same youth as their best players (Judd excluded).

I reckon over the next 12 months or so we are going to be up and down like a yo-yo, and that frustration will be rife, but I also have no doubt that the boys mentioned earlier will be superstars of the comp, esp the number 1's. When they are at their best, then we will be at our best. Until that time happens, we will be the same as most of the other teams in the comp, frustratingly inconsistent, sometimes brilliant, sometimes mediocre. We are on our way though, of that I have no doubt. The ride will be rocky, but I believe the destination will make the ride worthwhile.

Go Blues!

_________________
Blue blood is running through these veins!!! Go Blueys!!!

I like this thread.
I have dog day afternooned the moment many times...
I imagined Dick Pratt standing there at the time..behind the goal..with the angels...watching..sighing...shaking his head...BUT...he was still smiling.
However.I honestly believe Fev has not recovered from the trauma of the moment.
I believe he is replaying the negative over and over,and desperately needs some HYPNOTHERAPY!!
yES..IT REALLY WORKS.
Is relaxing...that..and his good little stable pony Ryan Houlihan should cheer him up.
Lets just take it ..a week at a time

_________________
That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

because they then showed some samples of what Ling did to Mitchell/Hawks and guess what - he was in that spot plus Ling doesn't block early, he waits til Mitch moves then pushes him into the ball and tackles him.

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

If Fev's kick had have gone through there's every chance that with 1 minute to play Hawthorn would have cleared the ball to Roughead for his 9th

_________________
"IF YOU FAIL TO PREPARE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO FAIL" - Mark Spitz

yeah but with 9 seconds Juddy out of the middle GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It is a legitimate point and a reasonable enough way of looking at things in that it provides a sense of perspective.

The problem that some people appear to have is that they often unwittingly but nevertheless incorrectly view different explanations regarding our season as necessarily mutually exclusive; i.e, we can't both have been unlucky in certain games but also suffer from certain more deep-seated or entrenched strategic and tactical problems which have undermined some of our performances. In other words, some people tend to think of it as one or the other, when it is not that simple.

It is possible to regard the team as having been unlucky (for example with Fev's miss against Hawthorn) but still acknowledge that there are more fundamental problems than mere 'luck' (for example executing a gameplan/selection of certain players, etc.)

So I don't think TheGame or anyone believes that had Fev kicked the goal and us therefore being 3rd on the ladder after nine rounds necessarily entails a belief that everything is perfect; mainfestly, the same problems would still exist with the side regardless of the outcome of one particular kick.

So you need to look at the entire picture and consider all possible reasons and explanations for why a team is in a particular situation.

_________________
Formerly Blues-Back2003.

That would leave enough time for Juddy to kick another one and really seal the game

_________________
"IF YOU FAIL TO PREPARE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO FAIL" - Mark Spitz

I was gonna say that leaves < 9 secs for..........RIOLI.........its oooverrrrrrr !!!!

I actually agree with all three of the above. The reality is that we have a tough run ahead and will need instensity, a bit of luck and good planning to see us secure in the eight.

Ahem I will climb back on the fence and gaze at the scenery through my nice rose-colored glasses.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06

What we need is for players to understand a workable gameplan.
One that suits what we have.
One that allows us to play closer to our strengths and potential individually and as a group.

Then you know you are organised enough to win most weeks ....
If you miss after the sren but dont have a gameplan youll be undone again... more regularly.

Shouldnt be about an umpiring decision or a missed goal.. it should be that you have the mechanics to play in a meaningful game that when the season is done and dusted you played to the best of your capability... and youll show as much on the ladder....

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Fair comment TheGame, however, at the same time last year that number of wins would have you outside of the eight, and 2 wins in 7 games is unacceptable in anyone's language, with the exception perhaps of Richmond and Fremantle fans, who have become used to mediocrity.

_________________
It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it

That's all very true.

But Fev didn't miss after the siren because supporters allege that we lack a gameplan. He missed because he couldn't convert when it mattered, for whatever reason. It had nothing to do with any gameplan.

Little things like this do happen and will happen regardless of whether or not supporters can identify an obvious and well-tailored gameplan.

You can have the best gameplan in the world but if Fev misses after the siren, he misses after the siren. It's going to happen anyway. Having what is perceived as a better gameplan isn't going to reduce the chances of Fev missing/bad umpiring/other luck-related factors going for/against us.

As I wrote above, problems from which a team suffers over a given period are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can simultaneously have been unlucky as well as having suffered from more fundamental onfield issues. Our problems wouldn't have all of a sudden gone away had Fev kicked straight. But at the same time TheGame's point is still legitimate because a case could reasonably be mounted that so far this season some little things have gone against us.

_________________
Formerly Blues-Back2003.