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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:41 pm 
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- Setanta provides flexibility and will be in side for the next 2-3 weeks.


Hmmm. You'd think with a comment like that he'd put him in every week. We sure could have used him when Waite went down.


I like Setanta, and is a handy replacement for Waite in teerms of versatility if not quality, but you don't pick teams for injuries


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:45 pm 
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aramari wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
- Setanta provides flexibility and will be in side for the next 2-3 weeks.


Hmmm. You'd think with a comment like that he'd put him in every week. We sure could have used him when Waite went down.


I like Setanta, and is a handy replacement for Waite in teerms of versatility if not quality, but you don't pick teams for injuries

Setanta should be full back.... Look Setanta when the full forward leads you use your superior speed to close.. punch..........
When we have the ball.. run and create an option....pretty simple me thinks...


Will we play him back there with Bower TBird Austin and Jamo? Silly if we did.

Austin should go to CHF....

Jamo should take a rest and a runner .. or creater should come in...
Fish isnt what we need just yet...

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:49 pm 
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Historically, Brad actually plays well against West Coast. (that's me saying that - not Ratts)


.. just following the 4th chicken line on bigger bodies... does Brad have a big enough body or will he bring the average body weight down and cause us to lose?

Look, personally i dont reckon Brad fits what were trying to do right now.
In effect he can take a grab but he is slow and akin to a turtle on his back when he loses his feet in contests.
Id much rather get the guy from the outer in Hartlett in the side.
Better kick and needs to play so we can see what he is capable of doing if anything.

Fish will be ok if he can sneak round the back and take a mark.. and from that point he will be a 50/50.... but he doesnt have presence and he doesnt have defensive capabilities .


What about defensive pressure? Is Hartlett going to run down Wirrpanda?

Ratts will shuffle it around to give us a decent balance, but we don't have many players who can run fast, mark well and kick long and straight. So at times, we'll have to make do with what we've got.

I hope Hartlett gets a chance and I wouldn't mind seeing him in rather than Fish (but it would be as a backman as he hasn't played forward this year), but you questioned the defensive pressure of those coming in...


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:52 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Historically, Brad actually plays well against West Coast. (that's me saying that - not Ratts)


.. just following the 4th chicken line on bigger bodies... does Brad have a big enough body or will he bring the average body weight down and cause us to lose?

Look, personally i dont reckon Brad fits what were trying to do right now.
In effect he can take a grab but he is slow and akin to a turtle on his back when he loses his feet in contests.
Id much rather get the guy from the outer in Hartlett in the side.
Better kick and needs to play so we can see what he is capable of doing if anything.

Fish will be ok if he can sneak round the back and take a mark.. and from that point he will be a 50/50.... but he doesnt have presence and he doesnt have defensive capabilities .


What about defensive pressure? Is Hartlett going to run down Wirrpanda?

Ratts will shuffle it around to give us a decent balance, but we don't have many players who can run fast, mark well and kick long and straight. So at times, we'll have to make do with what we've got.

I hope Hartlett gets a chance and I wouldn't mind seeing him in rather than Fish (but it would be as a backman as he hasn't played forward this year), but you questioned the defensive pressure of those coming in...



Doubt Fish will run down Wirra ....

.. not just that but Fishes size wont attract players away from Fev.

Not just that but he cant kick over a tin can....

You can still create pressure by long disposal cant you?

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:54 pm 
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What's wrong with Bannister? Seems that Ratts has the same blindness with him as with Joey Anderson.

These two I would play in front of Fisher any day of the week......actually I'd play Strauchnie in front of Fisher if he was on our list.

Fisher is gone...period. Anyone who has seen his efforts in the Ants will attest to that. The only other guy I'd consider at this point is Hartlett who has had a bit of a resurgence at full-back and can maybe hold down a spot in the back line to release Austin forward. Either way he deserves one last chance before he is delisted at the end of the year.

Let's see what gems the MC & Ratts unearth this week at the selection table.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:56 pm 
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Good to Ratts saw it the same as the rest of us, and encouraging that he took full responsibilty. The problem will be if he doesn't learn big time from it.

Perhaps also a problem with on-field leadership, as the players should have quickly realised they were over-doing the "roll back" ??

Fish's marking we need.......the rest (including his kicking) we don't. I take it that Hartlett's papers have been stamped ?

So, this week it should be:
OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:58 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Good to Ratts saw it the same as the rest of us, and encouraging that he took full responsibilty. The problem will be if he doesn't learn big time from it.

Perhaps also a problem with on-field leadership, as the players should have quickly realised they were over-doing the "roll back" ??

Fish's marking we need.......the rest (including his kicking) we don't. I take it that Hartlett's papers have been stamped ?

So, this week it should be:
OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


If Hartletts papers have been stamped.. Ratts is lighting his Davidoff cigars 100 dollar notes...

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
MIL wrote:
Good to Ratts saw it the same as the rest of us, and encouraging that he took full responsibilty. The problem will be if he doesn't learn big time from it.

Perhaps also a problem with on-field leadership, as the players should have quickly realised they were over-doing the "roll back" ??

Fish's marking we need.......the rest (including his kicking) we don't. I take it that Hartlett's papers have been stamped ?

So, this week it should be:
OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


If Hartletts papers have been stamped.. Ratts is lighting his Davidoff cigars 100 dollar notes...


:grin: :grin:


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:04 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
aramari wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Historically, Brad actually plays well against West Coast. (that's me saying that - not Ratts)


.. just following the 4th chicken line on bigger bodies... does Brad have a big enough body or will he bring the average body weight down and cause us to lose?

Look, personally i dont reckon Brad fits what were trying to do right now.
In effect he can take a grab but he is slow and akin to a turtle on his back when he loses his feet in contests.
Id much rather get the guy from the outer in Hartlett in the side.
Better kick and needs to play so we can see what he is capable of doing if anything.

Fish will be ok if he can sneak round the back and take a mark.. and from that point he will be a 50/50.... but he doesnt have presence and he doesnt have defensive capabilities .


What about defensive pressure? Is Hartlett going to run down Wirrpanda?

Ratts will shuffle it around to give us a decent balance, but we don't have many players who can run fast, mark well and kick long and straight. So at times, we'll have to make do with what we've got.

I hope Hartlett gets a chance and I wouldn't mind seeing him in rather than Fish (but it would be as a backman as he hasn't played forward this year), but you questioned the defensive pressure of those coming in...



Doubt Fish will run down Wirra ....

.. not just that but Fishes size wont attract players away from Fev.

Not just that but he cant kick over a tin can....

You can still create pressure by long disposal cant you?


OK you've just broadened the commonly understood 2009 definition of forwards exerting "defensive pressure" :clap:

I prefer the idea of Hartlett kicking out 70m. We're obviously incapable of executing a workable kickout plan, so let's see how we go 1970s style kicking to Kreuz. I saw Harts execute some beautiful long clearing kicks to HB or wing setting up attacks


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:06 pm 
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OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


No Scotland? He's a certainty for mine.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:07 pm 
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I'm absolutely gutted that our best forward - and indeed best player - has gone down to injury this week. How are we going to win enough ball across our forward line and kick enough goals in his absence. I mean this is going to be really hard to get over - it's going to be hard to not fall to the bottom 4 without him.

And to make it worse, I heard Waite was injured too?

Wiggins and Waite - geesh, thats a whole forward line.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:07 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Good to Ratts saw it the same as the rest of us, and encouraging that he took full responsibilty. The problem will be if he doesn't learn big time from it.

Perhaps also a problem with on-field leadership, as the players should have quickly realised they were over-doing the "roll back" ??

Fish's marking we need.......the rest (including his kicking) we don't. I take it that Hartlett's papers have been stamped ?

So, this week it should be:
OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


Anderson sounds in ripping form - we need to reward him for good form in most Ants games this year.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:08 pm 
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aramari wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
- Setanta provides flexibility and will be in side for the next 2-3 weeks.


Hmmm. You'd think with a comment like that he'd put him in every week. We sure could have used him when Waite went down.


I like Setanta, and is a handy replacement for Waite in teerms of versatility if not quality, but you don't pick teams for injuries


I'm not picking him for injuries. I'm picking him for flexibility...................... such as injuries. But not based purely on that!

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:11 pm 
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I personally think Fisher will struggle but if Ratten is going to pick him we need to use him. If we have Fev at FF and Fisher in a pocket with Betts & Yarran it is important that we run the ball quickly out of defence through the corridor and quickly into the forward 50.

These guys need to be one out to play to their strengths. Fev should lead and Fisher should be left in on one in the square.

Setanta needs to be given a position and allowed to settle. Using him as a 'swingman' would confuse him.

I hope given last weeks performance they aren't the only changes. Surely Anderson deserves a go and it would be tempting to play Grigg & Bannister for some hardness. Scotland must be in as well.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:51 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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OUT: Waite, Wiggo, JR
IN: Santy, Fish, Grigg


No Scotland? He's a certainty for mine.


Talk on CSC that he will miss another with a shoulder problem - Did he train Monday Dr?

A definite in if fit for mine.

I've been a JR supporter (or hoper) for a couple of years but that was worn pretty thin on Saturday. I'd try him out of the fwd line on their best rebounding defender - Hurn or Wirra maybe and see if he can get away on the lead behind Fev. But then there's his goalkicking which while it has improved he's certainly not a dead-eye-dick. Worth a try though.

My Changes:

Out - Waite, Wiggo
In - Setanta, Scotland (or Ando).

Not Fish, Not Cloke, Not Hoops, Not Hartlett.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:10 pm 
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..waite and wiggo out as definates due to injury.. ..also, jamo looks sore/not 100%.. ..so i'd be tempted to rest him if he's not completely fit.. ..as for ins, sounds like fish and setant are in, some doubt on snotland's fitness..??.. ..interesting changes this week if jamo and/or snotland aren't good to go..

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:24 pm 
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keogh wrote:
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this should be a soda, although Fevs kicking might make it closer then it normally would be, hope we get the bickies :thanks:


Your kidding arnt you
West Coast were good against Swans

They had their best forward in LeCrac out

They are a chance a big chance against us


They were also poor at home a week later against a very depleted Pies outfit, whom we belted by 50 pts the week before.

We should win this, if we dont then forget finals


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:42 pm 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
keogh wrote:
bluey72 wrote:
this should be a soda, although Fevs kicking might make it closer then it normally would be, hope we get the bickies :thanks:


Your kidding arnt you
West Coast were good against Swans

They had their best forward in LeCrac out

They are a chance a big chance against us


They were also poor at home a week later against a very depleted Pies outfit, whom we belted by 50 pts the week before.

We should win this, if we dont then forget finals


This is what worries me.
They will be very disappointed with their performance against the Pies and will no doubt be fired up for this one.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:45 pm 
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Fisher?? if he's getting a game this week, then we got nuthin'. the game has gone past him, hope he proves me wrong tho. happy if the Big Setant makes it back. we're a bit soft too i reckon. i'd like to see some grunt in the side. Grigg or Bannister maybe. time to HTFU!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:23 pm 
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it'd have to be one of (or last) chance for fisher..


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