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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:02 pm 
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Like to see:

IN - Grigg, Scotland, Andersen
OUT - Waite, Wiggins, Hadley

Things I'd like to see:
Fev to play out of the square unless Kreuz is resting forward, in which case to push up to flank.
Hold a marking target deep inside F50 at all time (Fev, Kreuz, Hammer).
Betts, Yarran & Simmo to sweep down from the flanks on the break to crumb deep target and to lock the ball in F50.
Thornton to play more utlility role, part of the game forward, part back.
Robbo to play off a HBF for part of the game.
Bower, Jammo, Austin, the nucleus of our backline with Anderson, Army, Browne, Joseph supporting.
Scotland to play further up the ground and with Grigg, Murphy, Juddy, Gibbs to deliver the ball I50.
Stevo to take our kick-ins and sweep.
Grigg to add grunt in the middle. Bigger body now, shows agression, do Hadley role.
Joseph to be let of the leash and spend some time in Betts role. Think there's far more for him to show us.
Betts to get longer in the middle.
The Fab 4 to be fabulous.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:04 pm 
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Carlton don't deserve to be favourites coming into any match. They don't have the mental strength to take the label as a favourite yet.


I just want Carlton to have enough form that when they play Essendon* in a few weeks time they give Essendon* a good walloping. The finals - forget focusing on it. It goes to their heads and they lose focus. They should only be looking at 4-5 week blocks. Aim to win 3 or 4 out of each 5...with the primary aim of annihilating Essendon*.


Put in 100% effort in tackling, harassing, chasing...get rid of the show ponies and beat Essendon* and I will be happy.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:10 pm 
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I've never seen Judd, Murphy and Gibbs have a bad game at once, until the Adelaide game.

It might never happen again.

Two of those players and most likely three are going to bounce back this week and watch out West Coast.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:12 pm 
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West Coast only just lost to Sydney a couple of weeks back and have a lot of players that will be guns within a few years - Masten, Cockie and Hurn look like good players to me.


I will wait and see about the MC selections before I tip either way in this game. No game with the "favourites" is a definite lock in result as far as I am concerned.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:26 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Carlton don't deserve to be favourites coming into any match. They don't have the mental strength to take the label as a favourite yet.


I just want Carlton to have enough form that when they play Essendon* in a few weeks time they give Essendon* a good walloping. The finals - forget focusing on it. It goes to their heads and they lose focus. They should only be looking at 4-5 week blocks. Aim to win 3 or 4 out of each 5...with the primary aim of annihilating Essendon*.


Put in 100% effort in tackling, harassing, chasing...get rid of the show ponies and beat Essendon* and I will be happy.



And collingwood too, please. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:34 pm 
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Yarsii wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Carlton don't deserve to be favourites coming into any match. They don't have the mental strength to take the label as a favourite yet.


I just want Carlton to have enough form that when they play Essendon* in a few weeks time they give Essendon* a good walloping. The finals - forget focusing on it. It goes to their heads and they lose focus. They should only be looking at 4-5 week blocks. Aim to win 3 or 4 out of each 5...with the primary aim of annihilating Essendon*.


Put in 100% effort in tackling, harassing, chasing...get rid of the show ponies and beat Essendon* and I will be happy.



And collingwood too, please. :roll:


That is looking too far ahead... these guys have an ego problem looking that far ahead. The aim is to regain form so that by the Essendon* game they are ready to kick heads...and then after that they can reassess their goals.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:37 pm 
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West Coast have a pretty strong forward line these days:

Kennedy
McKinley
Lynch
LeCras
Mitch Brown

are all capable of kicking a bag whilst Fev and Betts (and Kreuzer when not in the midfield) are our only danger forwards.

I don't know why we are such strong favourites coming in to this match.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:39 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Yarsii wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Carlton don't deserve to be favourites coming into any match. They don't have the mental strength to take the label as a favourite yet.


I just want Carlton to have enough form that when they play Essendon* in a few weeks time they give Essendon* a good walloping. The finals - forget focusing on it. It goes to their heads and they lose focus. They should only be looking at 4-5 week blocks. Aim to win 3 or 4 out of each 5...with the primary aim of annihilating Essendon*.


Put in 100% effort in tackling, harassing, chasing...get rid of the show ponies and beat Essendon* and I will be happy.



And collingwood too, please. :roll:


That is looking too far ahead... these guys have an ego problem looking that far ahead. The aim is to regain form so that by the Essendon* game they are ready to kick heads...and then after that they can reassess their goals.



I guess so.

i dont want to see another big grin on that flowering windy hill team again :banghead:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:50 pm 
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-From the match review panel article on afl.com.au

Contact between West Coast’s Daniel Kerr and Collingwood’s Tarkyn Lockyer from Saturday’s game was assessed. The panel said the force of the contact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:55 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Carlton don't deserve to be favourites coming into any match. They don't have the mental strength to take the label as a favourite yet.


I just want Carlton to have enough form that when they play Essendon* in a few weeks time they give Essendon* a good walloping. The finals - forget focusing on it. It goes to their heads and they lose focus. They should only be looking at 4-5 week blocks. Aim to win 3 or 4 out of each 5...with the primary aim of annihilating Essendon*.


Put in 100% effort in tackling, harassing, chasing...get rid of the show ponies and beat Essendon* and I will be happy.


It's not just the mental strength that we're lacking. We need some real hard nuts out there ala G.Williams/P.Dean/F.Brown who let opposition players know that it wasn't going to be easy. As much as I love the club we've got a bunch of nice guys out there. Setanta shows some fight when he gets a game but he's 15 years behind most of these guys and Fev just wants to be loved by everyone.

Bottom line. We need to change the mix. We need a couple of tough nuts who can play a bit.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:57 pm 
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You can't drop Armfield. He is the only guy actually prepared to really run and carry. Give him support from others and he'll be better. Imagine Army in a team like Hawthorn, St Kilda and Geelong where players back each other and support each other and do the gut running it takes to help out the guy running with the ball. Army's problem is not his disposal, it is the laziness of the people around him to give him support. This guy could be fantastic in a year or two when he bulks up a bit and gets some much needed experience under his belt. Would have him ahead of many other blues at this stage of the year.

And Melvey, you can't be serious re: Judd.

The impact of this man out our club is much more important in re-building than putting an extra four or five 18 year olds into the culture that we had pre-judd days.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:18 am 
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bluechampion wrote:
I'm confused.

The implication seems to be that once you lose a game of football you should retreat into a corner and self-flagellate in an effort to appease the supporters who clearly care more than you do.

We hear so much about professionalism these days. a professional footballer should be able to play a game, then win, lose or draw, set it aside and carry on with life, re-focussing on the next task at hand. Never wavering from the cause. After all, it's his job... But it's one we expect him to dedicate his every waking moment to.

And then we want them to be emotional too. We want them to have passion and desire and care as deeply as we do. All the while setting they eyes on the horizon and dedicating the best years of their life to Footy, to the Club and to us.

But it's not always going to be the case.

It can't be. They can't carry the joy of a win all week and into the next game. Just like they can't carry the sting of a loss. We expect them to roll up week-in, week-out as prepared as possible. Focussed. That emotional approach just wouldn't work. Yeah, we hear it all the time - 'they'll give them confidence' or 'they'll want to bounce back from that'... But really... it's no wonder they play up on occasion, they'd be emotional wrecks... each week manipulated by coaches and fans into a sort of fevered daze of competition and discipline.

Or perhaps they're not and they can go out after a big loss and hang out with their mates and not appear to be on the verge of tears - no matter how much you'd like them to be.


I agree with you!

I guess the fact I was still disappointed just made it more than what it was, plus I wasn't accusing anyone of doing anything untoward at all.

And this thread is pre-match discussion, my point was merely if they continue that attitude during the week we may be 4W 6L. West Coast are just as inconsistent as us this year and if the good West Coast turns up, even at out best we will be in for a game.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:41 am 
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yibbida wrote:
We will need a few big guys in backline this week to combat the tall eagles forward line. Bring Hartlett in, let him kick out - 75m down the guts.......


Anyone else remember our kickout tactic in every last quarter circa 1990.

Mil Hanna (?) kicks the ball as far as he can (a long way) straight down the centre corridor (not a term used at the time); Justin Madden punches/flicks the ball over the back of the pack; Craig Bradley starts running from the defensive 50 (which didn't exist) as FB makes contact.

As Bradley was the fittest player in the game, no-one could go with him.

Result: Bradley runs into forward line under no pressure and Sticks gets to mark one out.

Surely, once a week or so, this would be worth a try.

It's gotta be better than the crap method we are currently employing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:59 am 
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kkk wrote:
yibbida wrote:
We will need a few big guys in backline this week to combat the tall eagles forward line. Bring Hartlett in, let him kick out - 75m down the guts.......


Anyone else remember our kickout tactic in every last quarter circa 1990.

Mil Hanna (?) kicks the ball as far as he can (a long way) straight down the centre corridor (not a term used at the time); Justin Madden punches/flicks the ball over the back of the pack; Craig Bradley starts running from the defensive 50 (which didn't exist) as FB makes contact.

As Bradley was the fittest player in the game, no-one could go with him.

Result: Bradley runs into forward line under no pressure and Sticks gets to mark one out.

Surely, once a week or so, this would be worth a try.

It's gotta be better than the crap method we are currently employing.



Too risky for Ratts and there arent a heap of possessions in it...
He likes a heap of touches from the boys.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:02 am 
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Am I stating the obvious or is bringing the ball in as quick as possible the best way to do it.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:31 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Am I stating the obvious or is bringing the ball in as quick as possible the best way to do it.


I agree

I think we should also kick goals whilst stopping the opposition from doing so :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:15 am 
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It was good to see,

One week at a time
On the Couch
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and Ox on Sen

all bag the crap out of Carlton yesterday, the gameplan, the players, even James Hird said our defensive side was crap so to speak.


PS - James Hird loves the fab 4... We should get him down to be an assistant/mentor coach..

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:00 am 
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PS - James Hird loves the fab 4... We should get him down to be an assistant/mentor coach..


He only likes the Fab 4 when playing his old team.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:54 am 
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Anyone else remember our kickout tactic in every last quarter circa 1990.

Mil Hanna (?) kicks the ball as far as he can (a long way) straight down the centre corridor (not a term used at the time); Justin Madden punches/flicks the ball over the back of the pack; Craig Bradley starts running from the defensive 50 (which didn't exist) as FB makes contact.

As Bradley was the fittest player in the game, no-one could go with him.

Result: Bradley runs into forward line under no pressure and Sticks gets to mark one out.

Surely, once a week or so, this would be worth a try.

It's gotta be better than the crap method we are currently employing.


Not a great year to pick a kick-out example from....surely the ball was fumbled by Adrian Bassett, David Kernahan, Ian Herman and Tim Rieniets before it got to Braddles?


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:42 am 
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this should be a soda, although Fevs kicking might make it closer then it normally would be, hope we get the bickies :thanks:


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