Will sure beat the chip to the back pocket...

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Watched the twos today. Have seen plenty of them this year. I’d expect the following changes:

Out: Waite, Russell, Wiggins, Hadley
In: Fisher (although his game was flattered by a dud opponent today and I’d prefer Setanta), Scotland, Grigg, Anderson (just)

Cloke was injured in the first quarter and Hoops was awful so neither will be in contention. Garlett didn’t do enough either.

I am not a big fan of any of the in's but we may as well at least see if Hartlett can cut it in defence. Setanta will give us some extra flexibility, and Houlihan should be up forward as his smarts and disposal are a hell of a lot better than those of Wiggins.

Scotland, I can't really see what the problem with him is. He is not a star, true, but to think someone like Ellard should be getting a game ahead of him is taking things a bit far.

If Grigg is fit he would definitely be on my in's list. Would also love Warnock, Waite, Carrazzo & Walker to choose from.

Looks like Fisher will come in though

Am actually looking forward to the inclusion of fisher and to see his impact on our forward structure. Feel as if he is an integral part of our forward setup (particularly in the absence of waite). So long as he is marking strongly again (something he wasnt doing preseason due to coming back from injury) then he deserves his spot in the team.

Surely Brad Fisher, Cloke, Banno and Houlihan are done with as Carlton players. They're finished aren't they. They got to be!

Brad Fisher is a liability. Is slow. poor foot skill. floats his kicks. Teams expose his lack of pace and playa running type player on him.

If Brett Ratten had any clue he would have identified this last year and not wasted the 2008 season playing them. We are taking steps backwards and its time to give others a chance to prove themselves just as Fisher, Cloke, Banno and Houla have chewed up many years now and given the chance with no prevail.

Rather see what Adam Hartlett has to offer. If Joey Anderson can create some run off half back. Ellard running around. Garlett to play along side his indigenous brothers.

Nows the best chance to get some games into these kids before the return of Walker, Grigg and Johnson

Far more to get out of playing these guys than rehashing the same old shit now that should have been cut last year.

Back these boys in and give them a chance FFS. Ratten uses the excuse 'we the least experienced side in the AFL' so why not continue on with it

'Integral part of our forward setup'...... YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! A slow and poorly skilled liability is what he is and nothing more.

'particularly in the absence of waite'????? how many games has Waitey play forward in the past two years.

COME ON MAN. Fisher is a waste of space. Has no future with this club so why waste time and energy when we could try other options. Far more to gain giving someone else a chance than Brad 'i float my kicks' fisher. The same can be said for Cloke, Banno and Houlihan.

Out: Waite, RUSSELL, Armfield, Wiggins
In: Fish, Scotto, Grigg, Setanta

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After reading the Bullants report my changes would be:

Out
- Waite (inj)
- Armfield
- Russell
- Wiggins

In
- Fisher
- Anderson
- Grigg (or maybe Ellard/Bannister if he isn't fit)
- Scotland

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OUT

Waite inj
Wiggins omit........it's about time
Russell omit.........I reckon it will happen this week

IN

Setanta for Waite
Scotland for Wiggins
Anderson for Russell

Houlihan would be good against the Eagles in the forwardline, but I'm picking on form. From Bullants reports Houla didn't put his hand up...but you never know what the MC are likely to do, but I think the players Houla is likely to replace (was Wiggins) are Yarran, Robinson, Armfield and Browne and all showed something we need and should persist with.

Fisher kicking 4 against a short inexperienced opponent was good news, but he doesn't have the pace to defend in the forwardline. He's GAWN imo. I'd rather have Austin, Thornton or Setanta in the forwardline competing and defending. I really can't see the MC picking him because of his lack of pace.

B: Browne Jamison Thornton
HB: Scotland Bower Anderson
C: Gibbs Judd Simpson
HF: Robinson Setanta Stevens
F: Kreuzer Fevola Betts

FOLL: Hampson Hadley Murphy

I/C: Austin, Yarran, Joseph, Armfield

EM: Fisher Grigg Houlihan

Fisher as emerg is a reward for his 4 goals
Houla as emerg to let him know he's on the radar but need a good Bullants performance
Grigg as emerg to let him know he's on the cusp for a call up

Rotations forward: Setanta, Kreuzer, Hampson and Thornton to mix it up and provide a tall target FP or lead up CHF.

Fevola to play FF not HF/ wing.

Ratts to promote the running game in numbers as per preseason...and please man up and protect Judd with a few thumps on his tagger.

Gibbs, Judd, Murphy to play a blinder.

I expect Hampson to jump over Cox in the centre bounce. Cox was ordinary this week, so I expect him to be revved up for this game.

It's our home game and expect a big navy blue army to support and encourage their troops

Good luck Bluebaggers, we really really need this win. Really need it. Lets turn this ship around.

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We will maul the Eagles. That's the trouble though, all will be considered rosy again.

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After Sat, how could any one be overly confident of beating the Eagles?

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Cos we have been favourites every week so far,,,,

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Russell and Wiggins MUST go.

Browne showed heaps of promise and must be given many opportunities at AFL level.

Armfield needs to work on his kicking, decision-making and defensive work but has potential. I think he should be dropped for this week though.

Hadley is just too laconic and has poor disposal. Unfortunately we lack a real quality in-and-under type midfielder.

Houlihan must play, even though he hasn't done much in the VFL. Having him roaming on the half forward flank and spearing it into Fev worked great for us in the first two rounds.

I would bring in Fisher only because Waite is injured but at the same time I'd like to see how Hartlett would go up forward or even at CHB.

Either Yarran is unfit or extremely lazy but when he has the ball he is unbelievable. I would keep playing him but Ratts needs to get stuck into him.

Garlett could be handy and provide a spark so I think he should be considered.

If Grigg is fit then he MUST play. Anderson showed a lot of promise last year and I don't why he is not in the side.

So, I'd say:

Out: Russell, Wiggins, Waite (inj.), Armfield, Hadley
In: Grigg (if fit), Houlihan, Fisher, Anderson, Scotland

Emergencies: Hartlett, Garlett, Hadley

After last weeks disappointing performance there has to be changes.
IN Scotland
Grigg
Fisher

OUT Waite (sadly)
Wiggins (for good)
Armfield (turns it over too much)

I will be interesting to see how the team perform after the attention this week, including the coach.

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Ins and (outs):

Ando (Russell)
Carlos (Waite) - releases Krooze to CHF. His mobility v Cox would be handy
Ellard/Bannister (Hadley)
Scotland (Wiggo)

Grigga would need another week and on a 5 day back-up, unlikely we'll see him. Can't wait to see him back.

They wouldn't bring back Fish, would they? .

Outs:
Wiggins - played uncharacteristically cheap footy; could be underdone
Russell - didn't mark his man for what seemed like 60-70% of the time, unacceptable in a defensive role
Waite
Hadley - was very effective with every touch but he is a big body that should be protecting Judd and amassing more possession outside the stoppages. He's doing neither.

Ins:
Fisher - I still loathe his output in anything other than an aerial contest, but it's time. If they feel Hartlett can be damaging at CHF setting up play, bring him in instead
Scotland - logical inclusion
Houlihan - has served his time and has had the message of defensive work rate reinforced by Teague
Grigg - fit, ready, raring - brings back some height with the outs.

Proposed line-up

FB: Joseph, Jamison, Bower
HB: Scotland, Austin, Browne
C: Houlihan, Gibbs, Grigg
HF: Robinson, Thornton, Simpson
FF: Fisher, Fevola, Betts
RR: Kreuzer, Judd, Murphy
Int: Hampson, Stevens, Yarran, Armfield

Very balanced line-up in my book. Too tall? Three runners on the bench. Too short at one end? Swing Thornton or Austin and bring Hampson on.

Concerns: Robinson & Yarran running out games, Houlihan & Fisher applying defensive pressure

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Horrible match, horrible performance and horrible all round...

but I can't agree with dropping Armfield. He's one of the few guys on the list that attempt to break lines and with that, he needs to be persevered with at almost any cost. Yes he made a number of mistakes, but so did Stevens, Judd, Browne etc.. Whilst we like to pass by foot out of defence, and can face trouble with the zoning teams, we really need the line breakers in the team to break it up abit and go for the odd un eg. Armfield, Simpson, Joseph. Joseph is so diligently applying himself to the tag that we wont get much out of him unless played forward or 'released', but we're severely lacking these options. Adding Anderson as well, and Grigg despite fitness, can only help. If people have to be dropped like Wiggins, Russell or anyone else rquired for team structure, then so be it, but we aren't going to win playing the safe game of clearing by foot passing. We need speed from defence and through the lines.

besides, Armfield isnt going to learn anything about pressure football in the 2's.

Swap Anderson for Houlihan and I think that is very close.

I wouldn't pick Fisher personally but being at Werribee yesterday I have no doubt he will come in.

This game reminds me of the Collingwood game. A few changes, we will win because the opposition is ordinary and everyone will think things are fine.

Kerr's a chance to be reported for his head butt on some player on Saturday night.

Seems to go for a report before he plays us and his mate Judd.

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They should flood/zone and give us some practice...

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