I know there is a thread related to whether Ratten is our long term option as coach but I want to go back one step prior to his appointment.

At the time when Pratt came onboard and then Swann I was confident we had now had the right people in place to make the right decisions for this club. These decisions inlcuded employing the best people which in turn includes the coach as this is the most important position in the football department.

When Ratten was initially appointed I was very skeptical as I did not feel the proper process was taken in search for a qualified coach. After the Pagan years we really could not afford to flower up this decision and so Ratts' appointment surprised me greatly. I know many will say he was given the job by his mates. Ok. Who are his mates? Was Pratt and Swann his mates? Because surely these guys would have had to give the green light on such an important appointment.

This is what I assumed and therefore based on this assumption I caved in to my own feelings and said to myself lets give him a go...he must have something going for him if those at the helm think so. I have a feeling now that there was a massive lack of process involved in the search for a suitable coach. Whats more those at the helm...the same people then agreed to extend his tenure prior to him reaching any stated goals. This again concerned me greatly. But again I trusted those in charge.

However as the season unfolds it is becoming clear that we may have flowered up big time. This lack of professionalism at a time when we thought we had the best professionals running the joint has me more concerned about the coming period. If Ratts ends up being a failure...who is to blame? Ratts alone? Or those that appointed him on a whim? Either way we still have very big issues at the club internally.

This lack of professionalism shown back in '07 may come back to bite us big time.

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You have a feeling? Theme of the other thread. I understand your concerns...but perhaps you and many others are somewhat frustrated that you are an outsider (like most supporters) and therefore not privy to the internal workings of the footy club, especially when it comes to appointments, which are rarely made on a whim.

The professionalism, or lack thereof - occurred before Ratts' appointment, when the club, internally, made almost public overtures to Michael Voss about leading the club. Personally, I wasn't against that at the time, but I'm fairly partial to Carlton nepotism and especially when it involved Brett Ratten whom I know will make a very good coach.

We could go back to 2006, replace the word 'Ratten' with 'Clarkson' and find an identical post from a then frustrated Hawthorn fan.

The 'blame game' or indeed 'who to blame' doesn't wear well with me. As infuriating as a bad loss is, I see nothing wrong with saying - 'We're just going to have to be a little more patient... '

Im a Ratten supporter but Dr the appointment of ratten was totally different to the process with clarkson - Hawthorn deliberately eschewed favourite sons and didnt allow Brereton to participate because he kept pushing for Ayers - wallace another favourite son was also interviewed and disregarded as was eade- ratten simply got appointed and was not assessed against any other candidate when Voss wasnt available

I DETEST Hawthorn but even clarksons re appointment was done by a panel which included independents outside the footy club - Ratten simply got another 3 years

Surprised Swann didnt take charge of these processes

This is my concern...if Swann didn't then who did?

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Dog Brown.

Why should the average supporter / member be privy to any process? I realise some of you fork out a lot for your memberships, but maybe you're all after a bit much.

How do you know Swann didn't and the conclusion was that Ratten was the best choice to coach Carlton?

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Spot on Frank.

J & the Ks: Pratt did say that he left the footy stuff up to Sticks. Now that might have been a throwaway line, but circumstantial evidence suggests (only suggests) otherwise.

As for your recollection - I had very similar reservations at the time. To add - I had similar misgivings about Ratts' 2 year extension

Well thats what we as supporters deserve to know. If what you are saying is true who else was in consideration othr than Voss? Who else? Surely if there were others someone would have known about these other names and they would have been made public. My feeling is there weren't too many others and if so Shouldn't this be a concern for supporters?

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I know exactly what I deserve to know. Very Little.

Who knows what the process actually was and who was involved?

We don't and speculating on it is a waste of time really.

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Never understood why given the excellent record with Melbourne why N Daniher wasnt approached even just for comparative purposes

Yeah, because the last time Carlton fans shut their eyes ears and mouths in willful ignorance about the way our club was run, well that worked out really well didn't it?

I think we all got an education in non-professionalism under Professor Jack

Correctamundo...I'm hoping we still aren't on the same path..

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Eternal vigilance... Clubs need to be kept accountable to best practices. That blithe attitude led us into disaster, not so long ago. We don't need to know everything, but when something doesn't seem right it should be put into the light not swept under the carpet.

Some interesting thought processes. Would still prefer the thread title read 'Perceived lack of professionalism...' OR 'Our lack of professionalism MIGHT come back to bite us' ....because it's pure speculation that there was little or no 'process' involved. For all you know - a current coach was approached, however for 'contractual' and 'relationship with existing board' reasons - their names were not made public.

That would be refreshing - because I seem to remember a time when everything that was discussed was leaked, and that happened 'Post-Jack'.

So you mean to say that ratten may have been perceived by Swann to be the best man for a senior coaching position at Carlton?
And on what basis would they have felt that?
His Norwood stint or the Melbournbe stint from 5 or 6 years ago for a year?

Also, when has Carlton ever had a proper process for a senior coaches position?
Jesaulenko?
Perce?
Parkin?
Walls?
Jesaulenko?
Parkin?
Brittain?
Pagan?
Ratten?

In Carlton CULTURE the coaching job has never been seen as crucial and often its more political than anything else...

The people that pull the strings are derivitives of that system or have been part of it themselves

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Next time we should get Walls to select the coach - I wonder how that would go down

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what? simply knowing who the other coaching candidates were is too much info?

You missed Barrasi.

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Time to look at it from the CEO's point of view folks. One name leads to two, leads to rumour and innuendo...the Voss saga, whilst shortlived, was a little embarrassing as it opened Carlton up again ...meanwhile, Ratten (who had full support of the playing group) was demanding an answer as other jobs were being offered up and rightly so needed to know where he stood.



Political - yes...certainly seen examples of that... or Nepotism to keep the masses happy?